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The Best of RNZ's Podcasts. We continue our seven-part documentary from Susie Ferguson with on the misinformation subculture in New Zealand. Who's in it? How did they end up there? And, should they be feared? For most New Zealanders, political violence has always been something that happens in another country. Now, as we embark upon an election campaign, it’s a clear and present danger in Aotearoa. Mis- and dis-information is rampant just as the 2023 election campaign comes into view. It has even seeped into mainstream media, like RNZ. It frequently fans racism, sexism, and anti-semitism. It foments hatred and division. People close to it are really worried about where it’s taking us. There are the physical threats and violent acts. And then there is the corrosive impact on our democracy. This is Undercurrent, an RNZ series on misinformation. On this page, you’ll see and hear about the experiences of people who have been active in conspiracy theory networks. Experts explain what’s happening. And political leaders speak frankly about how it’s altering our democracy. You can listen to the full story in a seven-part audio documentary here or on Sundays at 7am on RNZ National. You can also subscribe via Spotify, Apple, iHeart or wherever you get podcasts. [Resources] Netsafe https://netsafe.org.nz/ CERT – Computer Emergency Response Team https://www.cert.govt.nz/ Tauiwi Tautoko https://www.tauiwitautoko.com/ The Dangerous Speech Project https://dangerousspeech.org/ [Credits] Created, produced and presented by Susie Ferguson Written by Susie Ferguson and John Hartevelt Voice actors Vivien Bell, Richard Chapman, Francesca Emms and Carmel McGlone Production help from Duncan Smith and Justin Gregory Engineered and mixed by William Saunders, Marc Chesterman and Phil Benge Visuals and design by RNZ Executive editor John Hartevelt Special thanks to the experts and ordinary people who shared their experience and knowledge for this project. Legislation, issues and insights from Parliament. The House is produced for RNZ with funding from Parliament’s Office of the Clerk. RNZ’s The House – journalism focussed on parliamentary legislation, issues and insights – is made with funding from Parliament’s Office of the Clerk.

  • 1[Undercurrent: Misinformation in Aotearoa] Muddying the water Has misinformation infected mainstream politics in New Zealand? And if it has, what would that mean for our democracy? [Episode 5, Thursday 27 July 2023, 05:00]

  • 2[The House] 'Stay grounded and connected to the community' - Aupito William Sio If you’re thinking of becoming an MP, there are some things that are ideal in helping you prepare, including experience in the public sector or local government. But once you're in Parliament, the best way to become a better MP is to take time to learn how the system works, ideally from the opposition benches. These are insights from Aupito William Sio, the Labour MP for Māngere, who is soon to leave Parliament at the end of the term. After almost sixteen years in this place, he knows how the system works as well as anyone, and sat down with The House to reflect on a career in Parliament which has been concurrent with breakthroughs for Pasifika. Aupito’s time in Parliament encompasses a long stint in opposition, which he describes as invaluable to an MP’s development, bookended by two spells in government. The Samoa-born MP entered Parliament at the tail end of the Helen Clark-led Labour Government in 2008. “I spent about six or seven months as a backbencher, observing what they were doing in government. And as they exited, I then spent nine years in opposition - probably the best time of learning, although at times you feel like ‘what am I doing here?’. And then having spent five years as a minister, as the Minister for Pacific Peoples, and then honing in on what I wanted to be able to do for Pacific communities across a number of portfolios, I just think that was the absolute privilege.” [Learning the ropes] Before Sio entered Parliament, there had only ever been a few Pasifika to be MPs in this country. But now there are over a dozen in the same Parliament. He has taken on a mentor role for younger Pasifika MPs coming through, reaching out across party lines to be supportive in this way. “It was always important to be able to show the others the ropes, if you like. Local government did help me. Others also took that path. When people are asking me how do you prepare yourself to be a member of Parliament, well I say serve your community but [working in] local government does help. Understanding the politics, and understanding what's really important,” he explains. “I think for any person coming through, they should cherish the opportunity of being in opposition, and cherish the opportunity of just taking their time and learning how the system works. It helps if you understand the public sector. I’ve always said to those who have asked me where can they get the experience before coming here that they can work for an MP, or they can spend some time in local government.” [Parliament culture] “There's a lot that the public don't know about, and even though I had the experience of being in local government, it's still a strange beast. It’s a fiefdom of its own and absolutely you do have to learn quite a lot when you come in here. It's not a place that is receptive or inviting of other cultures.” Aupito recalled how in 2008 he asked the Speaker of Parliament at the time, Margaret Wilson, if he could use the Samoan language as he was being sworn in, which she duly accommodated. But he said that later, when the National Party came to power, he had an ongoing struggle with the Speaker and whips at that time to be able to use Samoan in addition to English at times in the chamber. They told him if everybody wanted to use two languages it would take too long. But Aupito persisted, and since then the legislature has become far more diverse with MPs often using multiple tongues other than English, as well as Sign Language. [Pacific future] As Minister for Pacific People’s, Aupito William Sio has achieved numerous breakthroughs, including significant government investment into Pacific communities, which he said would not have happened without the commitment of the Labour government. Working with Treasury, Sio oversaw the compilation in 2018 of the New Zealand Pacific Economy report which basically found that Pacific peoples contributed $8-billion to the country’s economy despite the inequities and barriers they routinely faced. “So my challenge to the Minister of Finance and our government was: imagine if we could address those inequities, remove those barriers, what kind of contribution Pacific people could then make? As a consequence we set out deliberately on the path to achieve Pacific well-being by setting goals around languages and culture, economic prosperity, healthy resilient Pacific families, and of course the focus on young Pacific peoples.” On his achievements, he also identifies the Pacific Language Strategy under which nine Pacific languages are being supported across government and has flow-on impact in education and media, because the link between language and retaining their culture through language is important to young Pacific people. The Dawn Raids Apology is another one. Then there’s also the increased investment into creating opportunities for young Pacific people in education in the fields of science, technology, engineering, mathematics and arts. “Because you've got a growing Pacific population that this country is going to rely on for its future workforce and future business. So education is the key to unlocking that huge potential. That's already happening,” he says. [Staying connected] Aupito is mindful that the three-year Parliament term goes very quickly, and for any MP let alone a minister that can be restrictive on what they can achieve. “I think the only reason why I believe I was able to do quite a lot for the Pacific communities in that time frame was you worked hard with the officials, and asked the officials to find ways of speeding up processes without undermining the quality of the work. “My benefit was I spent nine years in opposition, developing policy - Pacific language policy was one; even climate change policy, looking at creating a new vision, working with Pacific communities across the region.” Sio says he’s really enjoyed his time in Parliament and is exiting on a high, satisfied that he has made a contribution. He’s only 63, and in terms of what’s next for him, it’s still open. There has been talk of him being a kind of conduit for relationships between the Pacific Islands and people in New Zealand and Australia. “A lot of people have asked me ‘can I do this, can I do that’, and I’ve said yes to everybody,” he laughs, “but I haven’t seen anything firmed up; so I guess I’m going to be unemployed come October." In the view of Aupito William Sio, "the highest calling for anybody is to serve your community". “Being a politician gives you that opportunity to serve your community. The greatest opportunity is also to help those in need. At the end of the day, all politics is local politics, and they’ve got to stay grounded and stay connected to the community. Otherwise it’s quite easy to lose sight of that when you just confine yourself to the bubble here in Wellington." [Sunday 20 August 2023, 07:35]

Primary Title
  • Features Hour
Secondary Title
  • Undercurrent: Misinformation in Aotearoa | The House
Date Broadcast
  • Sunday 20 August 2023
Start Time
  • 07 : 00
Finish Time
  • 08 : 00
Duration
  • 60:00
Channel
  • Radio New Zealand National
Broadcaster
  • Radio New Zealand
Programme Description
  • The Best of RNZ's Podcasts. We continue our seven-part documentary from Susie Ferguson with on the misinformation subculture in New Zealand. Who's in it? How did they end up there? And, should they be feared? For most New Zealanders, political violence has always been something that happens in another country. Now, as we embark upon an election campaign, it’s a clear and present danger in Aotearoa. Mis- and dis-information is rampant just as the 2023 election campaign comes into view. It has even seeped into mainstream media, like RNZ. It frequently fans racism, sexism, and anti-semitism. It foments hatred and division. People close to it are really worried about where it’s taking us. There are the physical threats and violent acts. And then there is the corrosive impact on our democracy. This is Undercurrent, an RNZ series on misinformation. On this page, you’ll see and hear about the experiences of people who have been active in conspiracy theory networks. Experts explain what’s happening. And political leaders speak frankly about how it’s altering our democracy. You can listen to the full story in a seven-part audio documentary here or on Sundays at 7am on RNZ National. You can also subscribe via Spotify, Apple, iHeart or wherever you get podcasts. [Resources] Netsafe https://netsafe.org.nz/ CERT – Computer Emergency Response Team https://www.cert.govt.nz/ Tauiwi Tautoko https://www.tauiwitautoko.com/ The Dangerous Speech Project https://dangerousspeech.org/ [Credits] Created, produced and presented by Susie Ferguson Written by Susie Ferguson and John Hartevelt Voice actors Vivien Bell, Richard Chapman, Francesca Emms and Carmel McGlone Production help from Duncan Smith and Justin Gregory Engineered and mixed by William Saunders, Marc Chesterman and Phil Benge Visuals and design by RNZ Executive editor John Hartevelt Special thanks to the experts and ordinary people who shared their experience and knowledge for this project. Legislation, issues and insights from Parliament. The House is produced for RNZ with funding from Parliament’s Office of the Clerk. RNZ’s The House – journalism focussed on parliamentary legislation, issues and insights – is made with funding from Parliament’s Office of the Clerk.
Classification
  • Not Classified
Owning Collection
  • Chapman Archive
Broadcast Platform
  • Radio
Languages
  • English
Captions
Live Broadcast
  • No
Rights Statement
  • Made for the University of Auckland's educational use as permitted by the Screenrights Licensing Agreement.
Notes
  • The following advisory precedes "Undercurrent: Misinformation in Aotearoa", Episode 5, "Muddying the water" featured in RNZ National's "Features Hour" for Sunday 20 August 2023: Before we start, a quick warning; this episode contains some swearing. (Susie Ferguson)
Genres
  • Documentary
  • Feature
  • News
  • Politics
Hosts
  • Sarah Bradley (Presenter, RNZ News / Features Hour)
  • Susie Ferguson (Presenter, Undercurrent: Misinformation in Aotearoa)
  • Johnny Blades (Presenter, The House)
Contributors
  • New Zealand Parliament's Office of the Clerk (Funder, The House)