MORENA. GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME TO Q+A. I'M GREG BOYED. TODAY ` THE FALLOUT FROM AN EXTRAORDINARY UK ELECTION ` WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE UK, FOR BREXIT AND FOR US TOO. I HAVE JUST BEEN TO SEE HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN, AND I WILL NOW FORM A GOVERNMENT. INCREDIBLE RESULT FOR THE LABOUR PARTY BECAUSE PEOPLE VOTED FOR HOPE. POLITICAL EDITOR CORIN DANN IS STANDING BY WITH SIR LOCKWOOD SMITH, OUR FORMER HIGH COMMISSIONER TO THE UK AND OUR LEAD INTERVIEW THIS MORNING. GARETH MORGAN, LEADER OF THE OPPORTUNITIES PARTY IS HERE. HE SAYS HE'D RATHER RIDE HIS MOTORBIKE THAN RUN FOR PARLIAMENT. HIS PARTY EDGED UP IN OUR POLL THIS WEEK, SO WHAT WILL HE DO IF HE DOES BECOME AN MP THIS SEPTEMBER? AND WINNIE BYANYIMA, THE HEAD OF OXFAM INTERNATIONAL, IS VISITING NZ THIS WEEKEND. SHE SAYS THE WORLD'S WEALTHIEST MUST PAY MORE TO HELP ADDRESS INEQUALITY. SHE'LL BE TALKING TO CORIN DANN ABOUT HOW TO FIX THE GLOBAL TAX SYSTEM. AND WE'LL HAVE ANALYSIS FROM OUR PANEL ` POLITICAL SCIENTIST DR JENNIFER CURTIN FROM AUCKLAND UNIVERSITY. MATT MCCARTEN, WHO IS NO LONGER WORKING FOR THE LABOUR PARTY ` HE'S STARTING A NEW JOB TOMORROW ` DIRECTOR OF THE CAMPAIGN FOR CHANGE ` WE'LL ASK HIM THAT SHORTLY ` AND FRAN O'SULLIVAN, HEAD OF BUSINESS FOR NZME. AND LATER, JOHN CAMPBELL AND NIGEL LATTA WILL BE JOINING OUR FINAL PANEL. POLITICIANS ARE NOTORIOUSLY FOCUSED ON THE SHORT TERM. JOHN AND NIGEL HAVE A NEW TV1 PROGRAMME ` WHAT NEXT ` LOOKING AT WHAT NEW ZEALAND COULD BE LIKE 20 YEARS FROM NOW. WE'LL TELL YOU HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED TOO. BUT FIRST, HERE'S CORIN. THANKS GREG, AND GOOD MORNING TO SIR LOCKWOOD SMITH, OUR FORMER HIGH COMMISSIONER TO THE UK. Are you shocked by this results? Was there any hand that Theresa May would struggle? A snap election was always going to be a risk. I must say I was surprised by just how badly the campaign went. I think towards the end of the campaign that became the main issue. You know Theresa May. I made a point of getting to know her and have met her socially. Why do you think she misjudged this so badly? I think she received poor advice and underestimated the opposition. The labour opposition was not seen as being strong. Jeremy Corbyn was not seen as a strong opponent. They underestimated the need to run a campaign. In any election a party must run a campaign and she didn't. Do you think she can hang on? Was she push away those trying to take a job? She is tough and she demonstrated that as the Home Secretary. Her to really crucial advisors Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill have stepped down. They have been hugely involved in her government and have been more powerful than most senior cabinet ministers. I made a point of getting to know them. That is demonstrating that there will be a change in how she leaves the government now. Where it has been very central control in the past ministers will have to have much more influence. Should she stand down? She was an effective Prime Minister. Obviously she has to rebuild her credibility but if she can do that there is no reason why she has to stand down. Do you think the likes of Boris Johnson will look to try and take her job? Boris is an obvious contender. He is a very smart guy and a very effective politician. A lot of people underestimate his intellect. One day ` it's a matter of when. He needs to build his credibility to. This government will have to rely on the northern Irish DUP which has a track record as a homophobic and conservative party. Will that work? We have proven in New Zealand that you get strange bedfellows working well in government. It is possible and they need to make it work. The DUP will only have a limited number of members involved. They have to be realistic about that price. If they push it to heart it will not work well. Do you think this will lead to a more instable government over a longer period of time? What is the flow on effect for Europe and breaks it? The longer term effects are interesting because it is cemented Jeremy Corbyn as the leader of the Labour Party. He was generally perceived as unelectable. In some ways it is given the Conservatives a stronger looking future. How much do you think it is about Jeremy Corbyn or his ideas? Here is a revert to an old-fashioned form of socialism that now has a lot of credibility. I used to attend both major conferences and I've heard him speak. He uses that whole language. I've heard him talk about Conrad's. *comrades a lot of young voters resonate with him. He talked about hope and I wonder if he is on to something there. He is offering younger voters hope. I think those young people were also grumpy about bricks it. *Brexit this was a chance for them to express their frustration at that. Austerity in the UK has been far more severe than here. Government spending has been cut in the UK and that has been felt quite hard. So you don't see parallels New Zealand? We have come through the global financial crisis in far better shape than European countries. There are obviously a lot of students with big student loan debt. The housing issue there are some parallels, aren't there? It is much better than in the UK and Europe. That dissatisfaction among young people is very real they are And Brexit was the trigger. What do you think it means in terms of New Zealand's positioning for a free trade agreement with the UK? Will this delay the bricks at negotiations? There is a two-year timeframe for those negotiations and I think Theresa May's government will push on with that. The key ministers were all very cohesive around the strategy they were pursuing. Will there still be a hard Brexit? It has to be. Why would you leave the EU and remain in the customs union? The only way the UK can when is being able to develop its own global trade strategy and get some control back over its immigration policy and regulatory system. They have to proceed with that if they're going to win out of leaving the EU. What's New Zealand's best strategy here? We were quietly behind the scenes and make sure we are ready when they are ready and we wo work closely with them. Our first priority is the FTA with the EU and we want to get that launched this year but then we want to be one of the first the rank with the UK once they are able to negotiate trade agreements. Hhave you got any words of advice for your former national party colleagues about campaigns and about what's gone on in the UK? I am no longer a politician and don't offer any such advice although I think that election shows that snap elections are dangerous and can produce perverse results and you have to campaign. Theresa May was seen as standing back, not getting into the campaign and not engaging. What was the thinking behind that strategy? They they thought they had a huge lead and didn't want to engage with someone who had so little credibility. It was insulting to send Amber Road to 1 of the debates in her place. In your view it's a complex picture and you don't think labour here should be abiding by this. The particular situation in the UK was very complex. If you look at the different results happening in different places. The one compelling thing was the influence of the young people who were frustrated about bricks it and other issues. Now time to bring in our panel. You'd have to be pretty stoked at Jeremy Corbyn showing. It was huge. The big take-out was that campaigns matter and the media no longer matters. As Facebook and individuals. My advice is get rid of Lynton Crosby. Negative campaigns don't work. People have moved on. The big lessons that have come through is that people like conviction politicians. If you look at what happened in the states with Trump and Sanders is that conventional wisdom has changed. Corbin had a hell of a year being pilloried and being knifed in the back in his own party. When you take all the commentary away and people just see people, they see a conviction politician. That's where it's gone now. People aren't tuning into politics until the last month. Out in the real world where people have real issues, their concern is in the last month. Was it that disastrous campaign by Theresa May? She didn't campaign. She wasn't in the ring at all. When major events like Manchester and London Bridge happened she didn't really will rise to the occasion. There was no good well for her. People claimed the cuts to police and other budgets for the failure to respond. It is a range of factors. The youth vote is tremendously important and it will be interesting here because here the youth vote has been asleep and is an untapped force. If youth get engaged in New Zealand in the next election we could see quite a shift. Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders are not young men, but labour in the Green party have gone to the likes of Chloe Swarbrick. I think it's about the message as well as the person. Young people do want to see themselves reflected in politics. The Labour Party in the UK does have young Mps as well as Corbin. But what Corbin has tapped as a whole bunch of antiestablishment sentiment amongst the young community. He is open to campaigning and away that is a little bit goofy and has a human dimension. We don't see the polished campaigners that are looked after by the spin doctors. They look to machinelike. Theresa May's nickname became may bot. Corbin seemed real and had this message of hope. Young people want a message of hope. I don't think age really matters. Is this a lesson that Andrew little can take anything from? As Lockwood was saying every country is different but what labour has already done as we know when Andrew took over the leadership labour had a brand of chasing every car that came by. He has narrowed it down to jobs health education and housing. What labour has done this time is actually say when young people have got no hope of buying a home the National are being very cynical. Young people pay for super through Kiwi Saver now. The living wage is no longer there. The issues have driven up in the states and Europe. Where the left has to get and is they have to champion that and not say it's about delivery. The bold ideas ` like with labour here it's 100,000 homes. How will the Conservatives get across the line with The DUP? It's not a very good hand that Theresa May has been dealt. I want to make a point about the lesson out of this for national. Campaigning on your record can only go so far. It's not enough to campaign on an economic record. It's not enough to be a polished performer. There has to be some fire in the belly in some sense that they will deal with the major issues that face people. Before we came on our you said one of the most Google subjects from English people Tell me about this. What English voters were tweeting in 2016, 2017 was what is The DUP? Most English voters didn't know that they had the kind of crazy policies they do. Hard bricks it is really risky for Ireland because the border between the North and the South is very permeable in terms of trade, families and all sorts. It's a really murky position for The DUP because Belfast and some of those electorates were really hard bricks it Eurosceptic people. If they play their hand to hard with what they want for this fall apart? It's going to fall apart. The DUP don't want hard Brexit. There is no other parties in Parliament that will give the Conservative Prime Minister whoever they are in a weeks time the numbers. If it was an MMP situation Corbin would be the Prime Minister with a huge majority. People make the same mistakes here as well. National sits in the low to mid 40s but you have to get to 51. The opposing parties are actually more. About 55% of people in this country want to change the government. May was saved because of first past the post. The majority of people in that country oppose the government. Do you agree this is not gonna happen? I think that they have a chance of holding it together. A good chance. I don't think it will fall apart in the short term. It was a big pounding but they will do everything they can to make it work. They don't want to go to another election in a months time. They should have never have put that referendum forward in the first place. It was arrogantly done and they thought people were stupid. They didn't understand that people were really resentful about the elites. Jennifer before we go, do we think Theresa May is going to survive? Will be talking about Prime Minister Boris Johnson? I don't think it will happen in the short term. If there busy negotiating government with The DUP they will want to look stable. But she has a lot of people inside her party who are very unhappy with her. I think we will revisit this in six months time and see what's happening. SEND US YOUR THOUGHTS. WE'RE ON TWITTER @NZQANDA. YOU CAN EMAIL US AT Q+A@TVNZ.CO.NZ OR TEXT YOUR THOUGHTS AND FIRST NAME TO 2211. KEEP THEM BRIEF - EACH TEXT COSTS 50 CENTS. ECONOMIST AND RELUCTANT POLITICIAN GARETH MORGAN IS NEXT. HE COULD BE HEADING TO PARLIAMENT IN SEPTEMBER. WHAT DOES HE REALLY WANT? HE'S NEXT WITH CORIN DANN. AFTER ONLY REGISTERING IN MARCH, THE OPPORTUNITIES PARTY IS NOW UP TO 1.4% PERCENT SUPPORT IN THE LATEST ONE NEWS COLMAR BRUNTON POLL, AND THEY'VE GOT THAT CRITICAL 5% THRESHOLD IN SIGHT. LEADER GARETH MORGAN JOINS ME NOW. Good morning Karin. Let's start with the announcement that you will give away $1 million to charity but you want people to choose the charity and provide you with their email addresses. The reality is that the National will spend something north of 5 million on this campaign. Labour will spend over 3 million. The government has just given each of those teams a million each. If we want to compete in that game we have to spend that sort of money as well. That's the reality of politics, even if I don't like it. I sent my wife I do have to spend a million on advertising. My wife said surely I can do something better with that. Can I get people to follow the opportunities party and look at our staff without wasting the money on billboards? I put $1 million into a pot for advertising and every time somebody comes to the website and gives their email address some of it goes to a charity. It's a smarter way to do it than wasting taxpayer money on advertising. Is this routine of the reluctant politician for real? I want policy change and progress. But you don't want to do the hard yards in Parliament. I don't want to be a normal politician you're dead right. Look at the complacency we've had in the inertia we have in our system. We are not making this sort of progress we could make it very little cost and with a lot of benefit. I don't care which party does it. You want to come into parliament as a kind of philosopher king but not actually scrap it out and fight for your ideas like everyone else has. I've been fighting for my ideas for years. Your message to the public is that you don't want to be there. I don't want to be a career politician but I have a team of people around me who are more than willing to take up the fight. I am a vehicle to establish this party. Does your personality matter in politics? I don't think it should. I think it should begin and end with policy. I think we've gone too far the other way where it's all about personality and not enough about content. I am trying to address that. Is there anything wrong with somebody who has had a busy life who is going to vote on the basis of who they like. I think that sums up the perception of what that person will contribute. What I'm saying is if it's all personality and no substance then the country just drifts. That's what I think New Zealand is doing. We have some real holes in our policy. The nets with their immigration policy have allowed low skill people to come in and suppress wages. Those people on modest incomes have their rents going up. Too many people are being left behind. You cannot build prosperity on anything other than a foundation of fairness. You have taught in the past about not going into parliament unless you have 10%. Do you stand by that? I want to majority. I want a mandate. I don't want to slip in like act does under some gerrymandered scheme. If you got 5% which are going to Parliament? It depends how the other cards fall. It depends on whether I would have influence. I am not personally going to tread water for three years. I have better things to do with my life. Obviously people will be starting to know Jeff. Who else of you got lined up? Jenny Connolly's come in and she is a tax PhD. Leslie Mack from the tourism side is coming in. It's building. Remember, and I've started from zero. Let's say you got 5%. Do you have a first choice about who to prop up? If you look at us on our policies on a left right scale, on economic matters were quite dry. Not act. Forget about far right and far left. In terms of free and competitive markets I think they are a powerful weapon. I think the trouble with TPP is that it compromises public policy. I'm all for free trade but I'm not for` but you're saying you could support both sides? In terms of the social staff I'm closer to labour and in terms of economic some close at a national. If you got your 5% what one policy would you demand? Tax reform. So as a 5% party you might be saying to a large chunk of New Zealanders that they would have to pay a tax for owning their own home? They would actually get a 30% cut if you look at my policy. If you're over 65 and you're not working. Not only do you have a tax on your house but you get means tested. Remember that that's rolled up into an estate duty. Do you think you can justify demanding a policy that is quite radical with 5% of the vote? It's a negotiating situation. I'd put it on the table and whoever the government of the day as will negotiate with us. That's where we end up at the end. The last thing I want to do is crash house prices. You have to face this sort of thing and. We need to make this tax system fair and efficient. You said yourself that a government announcing they would do your tax would bring house prices down. It won't take much of a tweak for this to actually occur. To get capital in this country properly allocated so that we can get higher incomes. Why did you suddenly adopt a cannabis policy? Jeff put it to me and I said you've got to be joking. He suggested I went through the science of it. We got the evidence together. I could see immediately that the issue was the harm caused by prohibition. I sought face-to-face. A community was being blackmailed by the criminal underworld having its cannabis supply withdrawn and being told that it could only opt for P. These are people who are taking drugs to escape just for one day the misery of their lives. This is actually quite serious. We've actually got to deal with this in the harm caused by the criminalisation of this drug. This wasn't an attempt by you to finally resonate with young people? That's what it looks like. I've done a lot of polling. One of the market research guys pointed out that my policies appeal to young people. The bad news is young people don't vote. We did another piece of research and the number one issue amongst young people as cannabis law reform. Do you support direct democracy? I support deliberative democracy we have a discussion with the constituency over any decision that involves values. Sometimes it looks like you feel frustrated that people don't get stuff and that you know best. Do you actually like democracy? I think we have best practice when it comes to policy. Wh when you look at what the politicians actually do the difference is ridiculous. You have to ask yourself of politicians are just cynical. I think you can play to a particular constituency by manipulating policy. We just saw that with land and water reform. They came up with a set of policies and the national party cherry picked it to suit their own community. You end up with a policy that is incoherent. I don't like incoherent policies. I don't like loud people in Parliament with no content. GARETH MORGAN SPEAKING TO CORIN DANN. AND WE'LL HEAR FROM OUR PANEL AFTER THE BREAK. I'm curious to know where the 5% is going to come from. It's not like he's going to drag out the missing million I don't see labour voters moving towards him, given what he's just talked about, so I think there's still some unknowns. It's weird to know where to start. He's got all the risk now. Once you say you're going to be a candidate, you can't say 'I don't know if I want to do it.' It kind of just shows how serious this is. I presume the opportunity party was a pun on opportunism, but to say I'll give a million of my money away so I can get on the show today I just thoughts, 'this is not politics. I think his ideas, the very bold ideas, are good. You have a think tank for that sort of thing. If your numbers, you got 30 for labour, 42 for national, eight for Winston, 10 for the Greens and one for the others and two for the Maori party, you've got 8 percent left you have to fight for that. The leaders have got to really want to win. I just thought, 'they are going to struggle..' I like Gareth, and some of his ideas are bold, but he is not in the arena of where it should be contested. Fran? To a degree. I didn't think he was totally serious but being a parliaments. Ken's focus on some key issues which need focus ` the size of the dairy industry. The tax policy, all that is good stuff. He can shape the debate the bit by putting out those fundamental questions of fairness and throwing that in, I think all to the good. He will havean opportunity to campaign for some ideas out there also some sentiments. That may still strike a chord among younger peoplethat cares about these issues. The danger is this country does not treat individual rich men well. I was a young kid. John Key wasn't short of a bob. He did OK. I'm talking about starting a party without any politics. Putting money in its in thinking that that is going to be a lift ` the people have is that a party is to have been successful are people who were members of Parliament's ` Richard Preble, winston peters, Jim Anderton, Tariana Turia you may not get their first home up, but he is putting focus on some issues that matter. The issues around fairness, the tax system. The tax system needs more work. It's not a sexy vote winner? It's not sexy vote winner. It helps shape sub debate and put some views out there. Again on immigration ` that whole point about putting in the unskilled people ` shaping the debates. The environmental issue. Nobody is putting it out there. He can go further than most people because probably he is not going to get the 5%. Jennifer, should he be aiming for Winston Peters pitch? Who should he have in sights? He is more the libertarian Progressive to Conservative spectrum that we cut this way. I would say he sits on the blue-green space. That's how he depicts himself. The thing about camping the issue and having a policy debate means that he has a stop talking about himself as an antiestablishment politician because this is just going to muddy the waters for him. If we think about what counts as antiestablishment, you have to define that. It's not just a career politician. It understand that the establishments are those people with money. If you look at Jeremy Corbin, we look at a politician who is part of the establishment, but the antiestablishment love him. He should stick with the big ideas and pitch those. People will gravitate towards that. Matt, what would you be in the green room saying to him? I think he's got to contract policy and not talk about himself. He can't be seen as out of touch and just kind of not being serious about things ` just throwing a million into a promotion he has to be clear by his target markets ` his competitor is nz first. AFTER THE BREAK, THE HEAD OF OXFAM INTERNATIONAL IS HERE TO TALK TAX. SHE SAYS THE KEY TO LIFTING THE POOREST PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY IS MAKING COMPANIES PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. THAT INTERVIEW, NEXT. OUR NEXT GUEST ARRIVED IN THE UK AS a 17-YEAR-OLD REFUGEE. SHE'S NOW THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF OXFAM INTERNATIONAL AND THE FIRST AFRICAN TO HEAD AN INTERNATIONAL AID AGENCY. WINNIE BYANYIMA IS ON HER FIRST VISIT TO NEW ZEALAND AND JOINS ME NOW. Good morning. He have come with a message about the need for tax reform. Oxfam is a charity. This message seems to be more political. Is that a different direction for Oxfam? No it isn't. Oxfam's message is a just world without poverty. To attack the property, we need to attack the structural causes of poverty, and they lie in this growing gap between rich and poor, this rising economic inequality. It's political. Oxfam is political but in a non-partisan way. Texas core to tackling economic inequality this obsession with government on growth ` not looking at who's been touched by growth. Businesses ` wealthy people dodging their taxes, not paying their fair share of taxes, driving down wages, paying peanuts to producers who supply them and refusing to invest back in the business, instead lobbying businesses to give them more advantages to tax them less etc. How this Oxfam make tax changes? We are working hard with governments and companies to look at the system that is leaking ` a global tax system that is full of loopholes created by the companies themselves that allowed them to channel their money legally out of the places where they make their profits two tax havens and so on. Transparency is a key way to reduce tax dodging. We would like for example countries like New Zealand, which is a rich country, to workon country by country reporting to support country by country reporting so that we know where the money is going. A country like New Zealand is too scared. We are a follower when it comes to forcing big multinationals to pay their tax bills. We are waiting for the OECD to do it. New Zealand is a leader. It is a rich country. As a member of that club of rich countries, and it's true - the OECD countries, after theGSC, came together and started a process. Some of these countries at the same size as New Zealand in terms of finances. Absolutely, but working under the jurisdiction of New Zealand and other countries, together we can work on a global corporate tax reform. We need to work individually. Every country can work towards more progressive taxation, putting the burden on the companies that make the money. Here in New Zealand, I know that's about 20 companies that are very aggressive tax dodging are paying almost no income tax. You tell me can you avoid paying your income tax, as an ordinary person/ Tamia feels of the New Zealand government's and government of small countries are intimidated by these countries. Oxfam is pushing for a global corporate tax body that can't rein in that race to the bottom. It is one. Like I said, it is able to tax progressively, to require beneficial ownership that tells you exactly who owns which company so that you can then follow the money and tax them. These things can also happen at the national level. Do you still support the model of globalisation? Is that linked with that tax system? Yes. We believe in a globalism that is just, fair.. what are we talking about? We talk about companies that Ring benefits, not just to shareholders, but to bring benefit to their workers. New Zealand is a leader. New Zealand was a first country to implement the minimum wage before the 20th century. New Zealand should move it from being a minimum wage to a living wage that pays people to work, not to live in poverty. These are some things that can't be done in a global economy. it must be a globalisation at benefits workers, producers, communities. Some watch this and say that you are taking a political stance when you are trying to be a non-partisan judge. Poverty is a political problem. poverty, injustice. We tackle power and governments. There is no way'we can to end poverty without being political. We are political, but we are not partisan. We don't support a party or company. We speak to parliaments. Do you think it's time for New Zealand to lift the strategy quota, do more in the world in terms of aid? Absolutely. On the question of refugee, it breaks my heart. I came to England fleeing a brutal dictatorship. If I had arrived in England today, I would be turned away. I'm seeing Rich Europe closing its borders to people who are in trouble, who are fleeing for their lives. That is not right. Today, Uganda, my country, has many South Sudanese refugees. We open our doors. That is humanitarianism. We have to leave it there. Thanks for your time. AFTER THE BREAK ` JOHN CAMPBELL AND NIGEL LATTA JOIN OUR FINAL PANEL TO TELL US ABOUT THEIR NEW PROGRAMME ` WHAT NEXT ` THE FUTURE WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S NEXT. YOUR FEEDBACK NOW. MARY-ANN DE KORT HAS TWEETED THAT... NOT TO UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF PEOPLE AND HONESTY. SHE SAYS IF YOUTH VOTE, SO-CALLED UNELECTABLES DO VERY WELL. WARWICK GOODSON'S EMAILED THAT... THE BRITISH LABOUR PARTY'S SERIOUS UPSET IS YET ANOTHER DISPLAY OF HOW THE ESTABLISHMENT IS LOSING ITS GRIP AND HE PREDICTS THE SAME WILL HAPPEN HERE IN SEPTEMBER. NO WONDER JEREMY CORBYN GAINED THE YOUTH VOTE! BUT HOW ON EARTH WOULD HIS FREE TERTIARY EDUCATION POLICIES HAVE BEEN FUNDED? TO OUR EXTENDED PANEL. NIGEL lATTA AND jOHN cAMPBELL. Your programme is what next. Politically, we took in three cycles. How do you change that, John? This has to be endemic. We will get the future right eventually.. Nigel is talking about it before a political party has an idea. And it might be the best idea in politics, but if you do not subscribe, to it a lot work in behind-the-scenes research. What happens aftersurprises for you? This so much important stuff we're not talking about. Where an office looking at the stuff. At the moment, what are we going to talking about coming up to the next election? It will be Winston 'I'm not racist' Peters. There are huge things should be talking about ` how we should educate our children. That starts now. We can't afford to wait to talk about this in five years time. There are some big stuff. I want to hear from politics this election ` what is your big plan to Get us to 2037 and a way that will work for us? If a politician comes out with such policies, will we vote for them? He said the pay off is so far away it's absurd. People have to start giving greater credence to people who are politicians who want to talk about longer term. Fran, businesses don't talk about Three yearloops. In business, it's in arguments about what is a long-term plan. The iwi have longer term dimensions. In stock exchange, doesn't lead you to lengthy terms. China have a new plan ` made in China by 2025. We don't have that sort of thinking here in a commercial sense. Jennifer, is there a case to be made for a four yearpolitical term? Is not 20 years. I'm a real fan of fixed for your terms. We know that every October this is when we go to an election. Has to be four years. I think we can be asking more the parties.. We have fiscal responsibility statements. why don't we ask for future responsibility statements? I don't see why that's couldn't` we see in Japan as a ministry for the future.. It's not going to happen during a campaign. They just want to get the message out and a really hot topic kind of way. My new role is to go in get the people who then vote last time a reason to vote. 250,000 were entitled to an role last time. They didn't. Even though it's a legal requirement. I can't do that with a labour badge on. I do that as a non-partisan thing. It's Maori, Pacifica and ethnic communities, young people and people in low-paying jobs. That is connected from things. If they do, I'm confidentwe will have a current progressive voice and move things. New Zealanders do respond to this. We have bought into this idea that we have to have clicked bait. Andrew Little, when he took over. People want a framework we will leave it there. THANKS FOR WATCHING AND THANKS FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS. THOSE WERE THE QUESTIONS AND THOSE WERE THE ANSWERS. THAT'S Q+A. SEE YOU NEXT SUNDAY MORNING AT 9. CAPTIONS BY CATHERINE DE CHALAIN AND JUNE YEOW. CAPTIONS WERE MADE WITH THE SUPPORT OF NZ ON AIR. COPYRIGHT ABLE 2017