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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. No No select No select committee No select committee reports No select committee reports have No select committee reports have been No select committee reports have been presented. No select committee reports have been presented. No No select committee reports have been presented. No business No select committee reports have been presented. No business have been presented. No business have been been presented. No business have been delivered. A A petition A petition has A petition has been A petition has been delivered A petition has been delivered for A petition has been delivered for presentation. for presentation. Petition for presentation. Petition of for presentation. Petition of Ashley for presentation. Petition of Ashley Jones for presentation. Petition of Ashley Jones requesting Petition of Ashley Jones requesting that Petition of Ashley Jones requesting that the Petition of Ashley Jones requesting that the House Petition of Ashley Jones requesting that the House review Petition of Ashley Jones requesting that the House review our Petition of Ashley Jones requesting that the House review our current that the House review our current divorce that the House review our current divorce laws that the House review our current divorce laws in that the House review our current divorce laws in New that the House review our current divorce laws in New Zealand that the House review our current divorce laws in New Zealand and divorce laws in New Zealand and consider divorce laws in New Zealand and consider changing divorce laws in New Zealand and consider changing them. consider changing them. That consider changing them. That petition consider changing them. That petition stands consider changing them. That petition stands referred consider changing them. That petition stands referred to consider changing them. That petition stands referred to the That petition stands referred to the Petitions That petition stands referred to the Petitions Committee. Ministers Ministers have Ministers have delivered Ministers have delivered papers. Ministers have delivered papers. Department Ministers have delivered papers. Department of Ministers have delivered papers. Department of Corrections Ministers have delivered papers. Department of Corrections Ara Department of Corrections Ara Poutama Department of Corrections Ara Poutama Aotearoa Department of Corrections Ara Poutama Aotearoa o Department of Corrections Ara Poutama Aotearoa o Statement Poutama Aotearoa o Statement of Poutama Aotearoa o Statement of Intent Poutama Aotearoa o Statement of Intent 2021-2022. of Intent 2021-2022. Stats of Intent 2021-2022. Stats NZ of Intent 2021-2022. Stats NZ Tatauranga of Intent 2021-2022. Stats NZ Tatauranga Aotearoa of Intent 2021-2022. Stats NZ Tatauranga Aotearoa o Stats NZ Tatauranga Aotearoa o Statement Stats NZ Tatauranga Aotearoa o Statement of Stats NZ Tatauranga Aotearoa o Statement of Strategic Stats NZ Tatauranga Aotearoa o Statement of Strategic Intentions Statement of Strategic Intentions 2021-2025. 2021-2025. Institute 2021-2025. Institute of 2021-2025. Institute of Environmental 2021-2025. Institute of Environmental Science Institute of Environmental Science and Institute of Environmental Science and Research Institute of Environmental Science and Research (ESR) Institute of Environmental Science and Research (ESR) o Institute of Environmental Science and Research (ESR) o Statement and Research (ESR) o Statement of and Research (ESR) o Statement of Corporate and Research (ESR) o Statement of Corporate Intent and Research (ESR) o Statement of Corporate Intent 2021-2026. of Corporate Intent 2021-2026. Manaaki of Corporate Intent 2021-2026. Manaaki Whenua of Corporate Intent 2021-2026. Manaaki Whenua Landcare of Corporate Intent 2021-2026. Manaaki Whenua Landcare Research of Corporate Intent 2021-2026. Manaaki Whenua Landcare Research o Manaaki Whenua Landcare Research o Statement Manaaki Whenua Landcare Research o Statement of Manaaki Whenua Landcare Research o Statement of Corporate Manaaki Whenua Landcare Research o Statement of Corporate Intent Statement of Corporate Intent 2021-2026. 2021-2026. Government 2021-2026. 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Yes, in particular, I stand by today's particular, I stand by today's announcement particular, I stand by today's announcement that particular, I stand by today's announcement that this particular, I stand by today's announcement that this Government announcement that this Government will announcement that this Government will continue announcement that this Government will continue its announcement that this Government will continue its ambitious announcement that this Government will continue its ambitious child will continue its ambitious child poverty will continue its ambitious child poverty targets will continue its ambitious child poverty targets for will continue its ambitious child poverty targets for our will continue its ambitious child poverty targets for our next will continue its ambitious child poverty targets for our next 3-year poverty targets for our next 3-year target poverty targets for our next 3-year target period. poverty targets for our next 3-year target period. 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Mr Speaker, today I announce that our next set of child announce that our next set of child poverty announce that our next set of child poverty targets announce that our next set of child poverty targets are announce that our next set of child poverty targets are to announce that our next set of child poverty targets are to reduce announce that our next set of child poverty targets are to reduce child poverty targets are to reduce child poverty poverty targets are to reduce child poverty by poverty targets are to reduce child poverty by 2023/24 poverty targets are to reduce child poverty by 2023/24 to poverty targets are to reduce child poverty by 2023/24 to 10% poverty targets are to reduce child poverty by 2023/24 to 10% under poverty targets are to reduce child poverty by 2023/24 to 10% under the poverty by 2023/24 to 10% under the Before poverty by 2023/24 to 10% under the Before Housing poverty by 2023/24 to 10% under the Before Housing Cost poverty by 2023/24 to 10% under the Before Housing Cost Measure, poverty by 2023/24 to 10% under the Before Housing Cost Measure, 15% poverty by 2023/24 to 10% under the Before Housing Cost Measure, 15% in Before Housing Cost Measure, 15% in the Before Housing Cost Measure, 15% in the After Before Housing Cost Measure, 15% in the After Housing Before Housing Cost Measure, 15% in the After Housing Cost Before Housing Cost Measure, 15% in the After Housing Cost Measure Before Housing Cost Measure, 15% in the After Housing Cost Measure and the After Housing Cost Measure and to the After Housing Cost Measure and to reduce the After Housing Cost Measure and to reduce material the After Housing Cost Measure and to reduce material hardship the After Housing Cost Measure and to reduce material hardship by the After Housing Cost Measure and to reduce material hardship by 9%. to reduce material hardship by 9%. We to reduce material hardship by 9%. We want to reduce material hardship by 9%. We want to to reduce material hardship by 9%. We want to meet to reduce material hardship by 9%. We want to meet the to reduce material hardship by 9%. We want to meet the 10-year to reduce material hardship by 9%. 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Question No. 4: My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: What My question is to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: What arrangements COVID-19 Response: What arrangements are COVID-19 Response: What arrangements are being COVID-19 Response: What arrangements are being put COVID-19 Response: What arrangements are being put in COVID-19 Response: What arrangements are being put in place COVID-19 Response: What arrangements are being put in place to COVID-19 Response: What arrangements are being put in place to recommence are being put in place to recommence quarantine-free are being put in place to recommence quarantine-free travel are being put in place to recommence quarantine-free travel with quarantine-free travel with Australia? Yesterday, Yesterday, Cabinet Yesterday, Cabinet agreed Yesterday, Cabinet agreed in Yesterday, Cabinet agreed in principle Yesterday, Cabinet agreed in principle that Yesterday, Cabinet agreed in principle that from Yesterday, Cabinet agreed in principle that from 11:59pm Yesterday, Cabinet agreed in principle that from 11:59pm on principle that from 11:59pm on Sunday, principle that from 11:59pm on Sunday, 4 principle that from 11:59pm on Sunday, 4 July, principle that from 11:59pm on Sunday, 4 July, New principle that from 11:59pm on Sunday, 4 July, New Zealand principle that from 11:59pm on Sunday, 4 July, New Zealand will Sunday, 4 July, New Zealand will lift Sunday, 4 July, New Zealand will lift the Sunday, 4 July, New Zealand will lift the travel Sunday, 4 July, New Zealand will lift the travel pause Sunday, 4 July, New Zealand will lift the travel pause to Sunday, 4 July, New Zealand will lift the travel pause to allow lift the travel pause to allow travellers lift the travel pause to allow travellers from lift the travel pause to allow travellers from South lift the travel pause to allow travellers from South Australia, travellers from South Australia, ACT, travellers from South Australia, ACT, Tasmania travellers from South Australia, ACT, Tasmania and travellers from South Australia, ACT, Tasmania and Victoria travellers from South Australia, ACT, Tasmania and Victoria to travellers from South Australia, ACT, Tasmania and Victoria to travel ACT, Tasmania and Victoria to travel to ACT, Tasmania and Victoria to travel to New ACT, Tasmania and Victoria to travel to New Zealand. ACT, Tasmania and Victoria to travel to New Zealand. Yesterday's ACT, Tasmania and Victoria to travel to New Zealand. Yesterday's decision to New Zealand. Yesterday's decision gives to New Zealand. Yesterday's decision gives airlines, to New Zealand. Yesterday's decision gives airlines, passengers to New Zealand. Yesterday's decision gives airlines, passengers and to New Zealand. Yesterday's decision gives airlines, passengers and all gives airlines, passengers and all of gives airlines, passengers and all of those gives airlines, passengers and all of those affected gives airlines, passengers and all of those affected time gives airlines, passengers and all of those affected time to gives airlines, passengers and all of those affected time to prepare of those affected time to prepare flights of those affected time to prepare flights from of those affected time to prepare flights from those of those affected time to prepare flights from those green of those affected time to prepare flights from those green zones of those affected time to prepare flights from those green zones when flights from those green zones when the flights from those green zones when the pause flights from those green zones when the pause lifts flights from those green zones when the pause lifts on flights from those green zones when the pause lifts on Sunday flights from those green zones when the pause lifts on Sunday night. the pause lifts on Sunday night. They the pause lifts on Sunday night. They will... the pause lifts on Sunday night. They will... People the pause lifts on Sunday night. They will... People travelling the pause lifts on Sunday night. They will... People travelling will They will... People travelling will need They will... People travelling will need to They will... People travelling will need to get They will... People travelling will need to get a They will... People travelling will need to get a pre-departure They will... People travelling will need to get a pre-departure test. They will... People travelling will need to get a pre-departure test. We need to get a pre-departure test. We do need to get a pre-departure test. We do know need to get a pre-departure test. We do know how need to get a pre-departure test. We do know how important need to get a pre-departure test. We do know how important the need to get a pre-departure test. 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But we also want to avoid a situation where also want to avoid a situation where we're also want to avoid a situation where we're having also want to avoid a situation where we're having to also want to avoid a situation where we're having to respond also want to avoid a situation where we're having to respond to also want to avoid a situation where we're having to respond to a also want to avoid a situation where we're having to respond to a case also want to avoid a situation where we're having to respond to a case or we're having to respond to a case or cases we're having to respond to a case or cases here we're having to respond to a case or cases here in we're having to respond to a case or cases here in New we're having to respond to a case or cases here in New Zealand. we're having to respond to a case or cases here in New Zealand. What cases here in New Zealand. What additional cases here in New Zealand. What additional measures cases here in New Zealand. What additional measures will cases here in New Zealand. What additional measures will be cases here in New Zealand. What additional measures will be put cases here in New Zealand. What additional measures will be put in additional measures will be put in place additional measures will be put in place to additional measures will be put in place to help additional measures will be put in place to help keep additional measures will be put in place to help keep COVID-19 additional measures will be put in place to help keep COVID-19 out additional measures will be put in place to help keep COVID-19 out of place to help keep COVID-19 out of New place to help keep COVID-19 out of New Zealand? place to help keep COVID-19 out of New Zealand? To place to help keep COVID-19 out of New Zealand? To be place to help keep COVID-19 out of New Zealand? To be eligible place to help keep COVID-19 out of New Zealand? To be eligible to place to help keep COVID-19 out of New Zealand? To be eligible to fly, New Zealand? To be eligible to fly, travellers New Zealand? To be eligible to fly, travellers must New Zealand? To be eligible to fly, travellers must not New Zealand? To be eligible to fly, travellers must not have New Zealand? To be eligible to fly, travellers must not have been New Zealand? To be eligible to fly, travellers must not have been in New Zealand? To be eligible to fly, travellers must not have been in NSW travellers must not have been in NSW on travellers must not have been in NSW on or travellers must not have been in NSW on or after travellers must not have been in NSW on or after 11:59pm travellers must not have been in NSW on or after 11:59pm on travellers must not have been in NSW on or after 11:59pm on 22 travellers must not have been in NSW on or after 11:59pm on 22 June travellers must not have been in NSW on or after 11:59pm on 22 June when on or after 11:59pm on 22 June when our on or after 11:59pm on 22 June when our pause on or after 11:59pm on 22 June when our pause with on or after 11:59pm on 22 June when our pause with NSW on or after 11:59pm on 22 June when our pause with NSW commenced. on or after 11:59pm on 22 June when our pause with NSW commenced. Or on or after 11:59pm on 22 June when our pause with NSW commenced. Or in our pause with NSW commenced. Or in Queensland, our pause with NSW commenced. Or in Queensland, the our pause with NSW commenced. Or in Queensland, the Northern our pause with NSW commenced. Or in Queensland, the Northern Territory Queensland, the Northern Territory or Queensland, the Northern Territory or Western Queensland, the Northern Territory or Western Australia Queensland, the Northern Territory or Western Australia on Queensland, the Northern Territory or Western Australia on or Queensland, the Northern Territory or Western Australia on or after or Western Australia on or after 10:00pm or Western Australia on or after 10:00pm on or Western Australia on or after 10:00pm on 26 or Western Australia on or after 10:00pm on 26 June, or Western Australia on or after 10:00pm on 26 June, which or Western Australia on or after 10:00pm on 26 June, which is or Western Australia on or after 10:00pm on 26 June, which is when 10:00pm on 26 June, which is when our 10:00pm on 26 June, which is when our pause 10:00pm on 26 June, which is when our pause with 10:00pm on 26 June, which is when our pause with the 10:00pm on 26 June, which is when our pause with the rest 10:00pm on 26 June, which is when our pause with the rest of 10:00pm on 26 June, which is when our pause with the rest of Australia our pause with the rest of Australia began. our pause with the rest of Australia began. We our pause with the rest of Australia began. We want our pause with the rest of Australia began. We want to our pause with the rest of Australia began. We want to ensure our pause with the rest of Australia began. We want to ensure that our pause with the rest of Australia began. We want to ensure that New began. We want to ensure that New Zealanders began. We want to ensure that New Zealanders aren't began. We want to ensure that New Zealanders aren't unnecessarily Zealanders aren't unnecessarily barred Zealanders aren't unnecessarily barred from Zealanders aren't unnecessarily barred from travelling Zealanders aren't unnecessarily barred from travelling back Zealanders aren't unnecessarily barred from travelling back to Zealanders aren't unnecessarily barred from travelling back to New barred from travelling back to New Zealand barred from travelling back to New Zealand where barred from travelling back to New Zealand where there's barred from travelling back to New Zealand where there's little barred from travelling back to New Zealand where there's little or barred from travelling back to New Zealand where there's little or no Zealand where there's little or no risk Zealand where there's little or no risk of Zealand where there's little or no risk of them Zealand where there's little or no risk of them bringing Zealand where there's little or no risk of them bringing COVID-19 Zealand where there's little or no risk of them bringing COVID-19 with risk of them bringing COVID-19 with them. risk of them bringing COVID-19 with them. 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But we will also be requiring people to have a negative people to have a negative pre-departure people to have a negative pre-departure test people to have a negative pre-departure test within people to have a negative pre-departure test within 72 people to have a negative pre-departure test within 72 hours pre-departure test within 72 hours before pre-departure test within 72 hours before coming pre-departure test within 72 hours before coming home pre-departure test within 72 hours before coming home to pre-departure test within 72 hours before coming home to New pre-departure test within 72 hours before coming home to New Zealand pre-departure test within 72 hours before coming home to New Zealand as before coming home to New Zealand as an before coming home to New Zealand as an additional before coming home to New Zealand as an additional layer before coming home to New Zealand as an additional layer of before coming home to New Zealand as an additional layer of protection. an additional layer of protection. What an additional layer of protection. What factors an additional layer of protection. What factors did an additional layer of protection. What factors did the an additional layer of protection. What factors did the Government What factors did the Government consider What factors did the Government consider in What factors did the Government consider in recommencing consider in recommencing quarantine-free consider in recommencing quarantine-free travel consider in recommencing quarantine-free travel with quarantine-free travel with Australia? quarantine-free travel with Australia? Cabinet quarantine-free travel with Australia? Cabinet carefully quarantine-free travel with Australia? Cabinet carefully weighed Australia? Cabinet carefully weighed up Australia? Cabinet carefully weighed up the Australia? Cabinet carefully weighed up the evidence Australia? Cabinet carefully weighed up the evidence and Australia? Cabinet carefully weighed up the evidence and considered Australia? Cabinet carefully weighed up the evidence and considered that up the evidence and considered that partially up the evidence and considered that partially lifting up the evidence and considered that partially lifting the up the evidence and considered that partially lifting the pause up the evidence and considered that partially lifting the pause was up the evidence and considered that partially lifting the pause was an partially lifting the pause was an appropriate partially lifting the pause was an appropriate course partially lifting the pause was an appropriate course of partially lifting the pause was an appropriate course of action, appropriate course of action, particularly appropriate course of action, particularly when appropriate course of action, particularly when bolstered appropriate course of action, particularly when bolstered with appropriate course of action, particularly when bolstered with the particularly when bolstered with the introduction particularly when bolstered with the introduction of particularly when bolstered with the introduction of mandatory introduction of mandatory predeparture introduction of mandatory predeparture testing. introduction of mandatory predeparture testing. The introduction of mandatory predeparture testing. The health predeparture testing. The health price predeparture testing. The health price advice predeparture testing. The health price advice was predeparture testing. The health price advice was that predeparture testing. The health price advice was that the predeparture testing. The health price advice was that the spread predeparture testing. The health price advice was that the spread of price advice was that the spread of COVID-19 price advice was that the spread of COVID-19 in price advice was that the spread of COVID-19 in these price advice was that the spread of COVID-19 in these parts price advice was that the spread of COVID-19 in these parts of price advice was that the spread of COVID-19 in these parts of Australia COVID-19 in these parts of Australia was COVID-19 in these parts of Australia was contained. COVID-19 in these parts of Australia was contained. There's COVID-19 in these parts of Australia was contained. There's robust was contained. There's robust surveillance was contained. There's robust surveillance and was contained. There's robust surveillance and contact was contained. There's robust surveillance and contact tracing was contained. There's robust surveillance and contact tracing to surveillance and contact tracing to detect surveillance and contact tracing to detect and surveillance and contact tracing to detect and manage surveillance and contact tracing to detect and manage cases surveillance and contact tracing to detect and manage cases and surveillance and contact tracing to detect and manage cases and adequate detect and manage cases and adequate border detect and manage cases and adequate border controls detect and manage cases and adequate border controls in detect and manage cases and adequate border controls in place detect and manage cases and adequate border controls in place to detect and manage cases and adequate border controls in place to prevent border controls in place to prevent the border controls in place to prevent the spread border controls in place to prevent the spread of border controls in place to prevent the spread of new border controls in place to prevent the spread of new cases. border controls in place to prevent the spread of new cases. What border controls in place to prevent the spread of new cases. What will the spread of new cases. What will happen the spread of new cases. What will happen in the spread of new cases. What will happen in the the spread of new cases. What will happen in the event the spread of new cases. What will happen in the event of the spread of new cases. What will happen in the event of another happen in the event of another outbreak happen in the event of another outbreak in happen in the event of another outbreak in Australia? happen in the event of another outbreak in Australia? One happen in the event of another outbreak in Australia? One of happen in the event of another outbreak in Australia? One of the outbreak in Australia? One of the reasons outbreak in Australia? One of the reasons that outbreak in Australia? One of the reasons that we outbreak in Australia? One of the reasons that we have outbreak in Australia? One of the reasons that we have allowed reasons that we have allowed ourselves reasons that we have allowed ourselves a reasons that we have allowed ourselves a few reasons that we have allowed ourselves a few additional reasons that we have allowed ourselves a few additional days reasons that we have allowed ourselves a few additional days is ourselves a few additional days is we'll ourselves a few additional days is we'll be ourselves a few additional days is we'll be keeping ourselves a few additional days is we'll be keeping a ourselves a few additional days is we'll be keeping a very ourselves a few additional days is we'll be keeping a very close ourselves a few additional days is we'll be keeping a very close eye ourselves a few additional days is we'll be keeping a very close eye on we'll be keeping a very close eye on developments we'll be keeping a very close eye on developments in we'll be keeping a very close eye on developments in Australia we'll be keeping a very close eye on developments in Australia between developments in Australia between now developments in Australia between now and developments in Australia between now and the developments in Australia between now and the end developments in Australia between now and the end of developments in Australia between now and the end of the developments in Australia between now and the end of the weekend. now and the end of the weekend. 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We decisions quickly if we need to do so. We will decisions quickly if we need to do so. We will review decisions quickly if we need to do so. We will review the decisions quickly if we need to do so. We will review the restrictions so. We will review the restrictions remaining so. We will review the restrictions remaining in so. We will review the restrictions remaining in place so. We will review the restrictions remaining in place for so. We will review the restrictions remaining in place for the so. We will review the restrictions remaining in place for the other remaining in place for the other Australian remaining in place for the other Australian states remaining in place for the other Australian states on remaining in place for the other Australian states on or remaining in place for the other Australian states on or before remaining in place for the other Australian states on or before next Australian states on or before next Tuesday, Australian states on or before next Tuesday, 6 Australian states on or before next Tuesday, 6 July. Australian states on or before next Tuesday, 6 July. Our Australian states on or before next Tuesday, 6 July. Our system Australian states on or before next Tuesday, 6 July. Our system from Tuesday, 6 July. Our system from here Tuesday, 6 July. Our system from here of Tuesday, 6 July. Our system from here of only Tuesday, 6 July. Our system from here of only opening Tuesday, 6 July. Our system from here of only opening up Tuesday, 6 July. Our system from here of only opening up to Tuesday, 6 July. 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Question that can remain at alert level 1. Question No. that can remain at alert level 1. Question No. 5. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Revenue: My question is to the Minister of Revenue: Is My question is to the Minister of Revenue: Is the My question is to the Minister of Revenue: Is the Government My question is to the Minister of Revenue: Is the Government committed Revenue: Is the Government committed to Revenue: Is the Government committed to removing Revenue: Is the Government committed to removing the Revenue: Is the Government committed to removing the ability Revenue: Is the Government committed to removing the ability for Revenue: Is the Government committed to removing the ability for interest to removing the ability for interest expense to removing the ability for interest expense to to removing the ability for interest expense to be to removing the ability for interest expense to be deducted to removing the ability for interest expense to be deducted from expense to be deducted from residential expense to be deducted from residential rental expense to be deducted from residential rental income; expense to be deducted from residential rental income; if expense to be deducted from residential rental income; if so, residential rental income; if so, what residential rental income; if so, what is residential rental income; if so, what is the residential rental income; if so, what is the expected residential rental income; if so, what is the expected increase residential rental income; if so, what is the expected increase in what is the expected increase in annual what is the expected increase in annual tax what is the expected increase in annual tax payable what is the expected increase in annual tax payable from what is the expected increase in annual tax payable from the what is the expected increase in annual tax payable from the 2025/26 annual tax payable from the 2025/26 tax annual tax payable from the 2025/26 tax year annual tax payable from the 2025/26 tax year for annual tax payable from the 2025/26 tax year for an annual tax payable from the 2025/26 tax year for an investor annual tax payable from the 2025/26 tax year for an investor who annual tax payable from the 2025/26 tax year for an investor who owns annual tax payable from the 2025/26 tax year for an investor who owns a tax year for an investor who owns a typical tax year for an investor who owns a typical rental tax year for an investor who owns a typical rental property tax year for an investor who owns a typical rental property in typical rental property in Auckland? The The Hon The Hon David The Hon David Parker. The Hon David Parker. Yes, The Hon David Parker. Yes, the The Hon David Parker. Yes, the Government The Hon David Parker. Yes, the Government is The Hon David Parker. Yes, the Government is committed The Hon David Parker. Yes, the Government is committed to The Hon David Parker. Yes, the Government is committed to this Government is committed to this policy. Government is committed to this policy. It Government is committed to this policy. It is Government is committed to this policy. It is part Government is committed to this policy. It is part of Government is committed to this policy. It is part of our policy. It is part of our coordinated policy. It is part of our coordinated response policy. It is part of our coordinated response to policy. It is part of our coordinated response to the policy. It is part of our coordinated response to the housing coordinated response to the housing crisis. coordinated response to the housing crisis. It coordinated response to the housing crisis. It will coordinated response to the housing crisis. It will ensure coordinated response to the housing crisis. It will ensure that coordinated response to the housing crisis. It will ensure that first crisis. It will ensure that first home-buyers crisis. It will ensure that first home-buyers and crisis. It will ensure that first home-buyers and owner crisis. It will ensure that first home-buyers and owner occupiers crisis. It will ensure that first home-buyers and owner occupiers get home-buyers and owner occupiers get a home-buyers and owner occupiers get a fair home-buyers and owner occupiers get a fair go, home-buyers and owner occupiers get a fair go, and home-buyers and owner occupiers get a fair go, and it home-buyers and owner occupiers get a fair go, and it will home-buyers and owner occupiers get a fair go, and it will also home-buyers and owner occupiers get a fair go, and it will also head home-buyers and owner occupiers get a fair go, and it will also head off a fair go, and it will also head off the a fair go, and it will also head off the economic a fair go, and it will also head off the economic risk a fair go, and it will also head off the economic risk of a fair go, and it will also head off the economic risk of an a fair go, and it will also head off the economic risk of an out a fair go, and it will also head off the economic risk of an out of the economic risk of an out of control the economic risk of an out of control housing the economic risk of an out of control housing bubble. the economic risk of an out of control housing bubble. Regarding control housing bubble. Regarding the control housing bubble. Regarding the second control housing bubble. Regarding the second part control housing bubble. Regarding the second part of control housing bubble. Regarding the second part of the control housing bubble. Regarding the second part of the question control housing bubble. 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Is it fair we're actually doing something that's working. Is it fair that we're actually doing something that's working. Is it fair that a that's working. Is it fair that a mum that's working. Is it fair that a mum and that's working. Is it fair that a mum and dad that's working. Is it fair that a mum and dad landlord that's working. Is it fair that a mum and dad landlord will that's working. Is it fair that a mum and dad landlord will have that's working. Is it fair that a mum and dad landlord will have to mum and dad landlord will have to pay mum and dad landlord will have to pay $9,000 mum and dad landlord will have to pay $9,000 every mum and dad landlord will have to pay $9,000 every year mum and dad landlord will have to pay $9,000 every year in mum and dad landlord will have to pay $9,000 every year in additional pay $9,000 every year in additional tax pay $9,000 every year in additional tax after pay $9,000 every year in additional tax after an pay $9,000 every year in additional tax after an election pay $9,000 every year in additional tax after an election where pay $9,000 every year in additional tax after an election where the tax after an election where the Government tax after an election where the Government promise tax after an election where the Government promise no tax after an election where the Government promise no tax tax after an election where the Government promise no tax increases? 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Does he realise that when a landlord Does he realise that when a landlord is Does he realise that when a landlord is faced Does he realise that when a landlord is faced with Does he realise that when a landlord is faced with a Does he realise that when a landlord is faced with a tax Does he realise that when a landlord is faced with a tax increase Does he realise that when a landlord is faced with a tax increase of Does he realise that when a landlord is faced with a tax increase of over is faced with a tax increase of over $9,000 is faced with a tax increase of over $9,000 a is faced with a tax increase of over $9,000 a year, is faced with a tax increase of over $9,000 a year, the is faced with a tax increase of over $9,000 a year, the likely is faced with a tax increase of over $9,000 a year, the likely outcome is faced with a tax increase of over $9,000 a year, the likely outcome is $9,000 a year, the likely outcome is that $9,000 a year, the likely outcome is that they $9,000 a year, the likely outcome is that they will $9,000 a year, the likely outcome is that they will either $9,000 a year, the likely outcome is that they will either put $9,000 a year, the likely outcome is that they will either put up $9,000 a year, the likely outcome is that they will either put up the that they will either put up the rent that they will either put up the rent or that they will either put up the rent or sell that they will either put up the rent or sell their that they will either put up the rent or sell their rental that they will either put up the rent or sell their rental property? rent or sell their rental property? rent rent or sell their rental property? that rent or sell their rental property? rent or Sell rent or sell their rental property? rent or Sell their rent or sell their rental property? rent or Sell their rental rent or sell their rental property? rent or Sell their rental property? rent or Sell their rental property? Mr rent or Sell their rental property? Mr Speaker, rent or Sell their rental property? Mr Speaker, I rent or Sell their rental property? Mr Speaker, I don't rent or Sell their rental property? Mr Speaker, I don't think rent or Sell their rental property? Mr Speaker, I don't think that's Mr Speaker, I don't think that's necessarily Mr Speaker, I don't think that's necessarily correct. Mr Speaker, I don't think that's necessarily correct. Is Mr Speaker, I don't think that's necessarily correct. Is the necessarily correct. Is the objective necessarily correct. Is the objective of necessarily correct. Is the objective of this necessarily correct. Is the objective of this tax necessarily correct. Is the objective of this tax policy necessarily correct. Is the objective of this tax policy to necessarily correct. Is the objective of this tax policy to make objective of this tax policy to make people objective of this tax policy to make people sell objective of this tax policy to make people sell their objective of this tax policy to make people sell their rental objective of this tax policy to make people sell their rental properties? people sell their rental properties? No, people sell their rental properties? No, it's people sell their rental properties? No, it's not. people sell their rental properties? No, it's not. But people sell their rental properties? No, it's not. But if people sell their rental properties? No, it's not. But if they people sell their rental properties? No, it's not. But if they didn't, No, it's not. But if they didn't, the No, it's not. But if they didn't, the house No, it's not. But if they didn't, the house would No, it's not. But if they didn't, the house would not No, it's not. But if they didn't, the house would not erupt No, it's not. But if they didn't, the house would not erupt in No, it's not. But if they didn't, the house would not erupt in flames the house would not erupt in flames and the house would not erupt in flames and disappear. the house would not erupt in flames and disappear. What the house would not erupt in flames and disappear. What is the house would not erupt in flames and disappear. What is the the house would not erupt in flames and disappear. What is the message and disappear. What is the message to and disappear. What is the message to New and disappear. What is the message to New Zealanders and disappear. What is the message to New Zealanders who and disappear. What is the message to New Zealanders who will and disappear. What is the message to New Zealanders who will have and disappear. What is the message to New Zealanders who will have to to New Zealanders who will have to to to New Zealanders who will have to to sell to New Zealanders who will have to to sell their to New Zealanders who will have to to sell their one to New Zealanders who will have to to sell their one rental to New Zealanders who will have to to sell their one rental property to sell their one rental property that to sell their one rental property that they to sell their one rental property that they have to sell their one rental property that they have invested to sell their one rental property that they have invested in to sell their one rental property that they have invested in for to sell their one rental property that they have invested in for their that they have invested in for their retirement that they have invested in for their retirement because that they have invested in for their retirement because he's that they have invested in for their retirement because he's increased retirement because he's increased the retirement because he's increased the tax retirement because he's increased the tax bill? retirement because he's increased the tax bill? Mr retirement because he's increased the tax bill? Mr Speaker, retirement because he's increased the tax bill? Mr Speaker, I retirement because he's increased the tax bill? Mr Speaker, I think the tax bill? Mr Speaker, I think the the tax bill? Mr Speaker, I think the majority the tax bill? Mr Speaker, I think the majority of the tax bill? Mr Speaker, I think the majority of New the tax bill? Mr Speaker, I think the majority of New Zealanders the tax bill? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for the My question is to the Minister for the Environment: My question is to the Minister for the Environment: What My question is to the Minister for the Environment: What announcements the Environment: What announcements has the Environment: What announcements has the the Environment: What announcements has the Government the Environment: What announcements has the Government made the Environment: What announcements has the Government made regarding has the Government made regarding the has the Government made regarding the reduction has the Government made regarding the reduction of has the Government made regarding the reduction of waste? The The Hon The Hon David The Hon David Parker. The Hon David Parker. This The Hon David Parker. This week The Hon David Parker. This week the The Hon David Parker. This week the government The Hon David Parker. This week the government has The Hon David Parker. This week the government has delivered The Hon David Parker. This week the government has delivered on The Hon David Parker. This week the government has delivered on its government has delivered on its promise government has delivered on its promise to government has delivered on its promise to phase government has delivered on its promise to phase out government has delivered on its promise to phase out problem promise to phase out problem plastics promise to phase out problem plastics in promise to phase out problem plastics in some promise to phase out problem plastics in some -- promise to phase out problem plastics in some -- and promise to phase out problem plastics in some -- and some promise to phase out problem plastics in some -- and some single plastics in some -- and some single use plastics in some -- and some single use plastics plastics in some -- and some single use plastics by plastics in some -- and some single use plastics by 2025. plastics in some -- and some single use plastics by 2025. We'll plastics in some -- and some single use plastics by 2025. We'll be use plastics by 2025. We'll be phasing use plastics by 2025. We'll be phasing out use plastics by 2025. We'll be phasing out hard use plastics by 2025. We'll be phasing out hard to use plastics by 2025. We'll be phasing out hard to recycle use plastics by 2025. We'll be phasing out hard to recycle food use plastics by 2025. We'll be phasing out hard to recycle food and phasing out hard to recycle food and drink phasing out hard to recycle food and drink packaging phasing out hard to recycle food and drink packaging made phasing out hard to recycle food and drink packaging made from phasing out hard to recycle food and drink packaging made from PVC phasing out hard to recycle food and drink packaging made from PVC and drink packaging made from PVC and polystyrene drink packaging made from PVC and polystyrene and drink packaging made from PVC and polystyrene and some drink packaging made from PVC and polystyrene and some degradable polystyrene and some degradable plastic polystyrene and some degradable plastic products. polystyrene and some degradable plastic products. We'll polystyrene and some degradable plastic products. We'll be polystyrene and some degradable plastic products. We'll be phasing plastic products. We'll be phasing out plastic products. We'll be phasing out single plastic products. We'll be phasing out single use plastic products. We'll be phasing out single use plastic plastic products. We'll be phasing out single use plastic items plastic products. We'll be phasing out single use plastic items such plastic products. We'll be phasing out single use plastic items such as out single use plastic items such as cotton out single use plastic items such as cotton buds, out single use plastic items such as cotton buds, single out single use plastic items such as cotton buds, single use out single use plastic items such as cotton buds, single use plastic cotton buds, single use plastic plates cotton buds, single use plastic plates and cotton buds, single use plastic plates and bobs cotton buds, single use plastic plates and bobs and cotton buds, single use plastic plates and bobs and non-compostible plates and bobs and non-compostible plastic plates and bobs and non-compostible plastic labels. plates and bobs and non-compostible plastic labels. We plates and bobs and non-compostible plastic labels. We have plates and bobs and non-compostible plastic labels. We have made plates and bobs and non-compostible plastic labels. We have made good plastic labels. We have made good progress plastic labels. We have made good progress over plastic labels. We have made good progress over the plastic labels. We have made good progress over the last plastic labels. We have made good progress over the last three plastic labels. We have made good progress over the last three years progress over the last three years and progress over the last three years and the progress over the last three years and the there's progress over the last three years and the there's strong progress over the last three years and the there's strong public progress over the last three years and the there's strong public and and the there's strong public and business and the there's strong public and business support and the there's strong public and business support for and the there's strong public and business support for the and the there's strong public and business support for the 2019 business support for the 2019 plastic business support for the 2019 plastic bag business support for the 2019 plastic bag ban business support for the 2019 plastic bag ban which business support for the 2019 plastic bag ban which has business support for the 2019 plastic bag ban which has meant business support for the 2019 plastic bag ban which has meant that plastic bag ban which has meant that more plastic bag ban which has meant that more than plastic bag ban which has meant that more than 1 plastic bag ban which has meant that more than 1 billion plastic bag ban which has meant that more than 1 billion plastic plastic bag ban which has meant that more than 1 billion plastic bags more than 1 billion plastic bags have more than 1 billion plastic bags have ended more than 1 billion plastic bags have ended up more than 1 billion plastic bags have ended up in more than 1 billion plastic bags have ended up in our more than 1 billion plastic bags have ended up in our landfills more than 1 billion plastic bags have ended up in our landfills or have ended up in our landfills or ocean have ended up in our landfills or ocean and have ended up in our landfills or ocean and we have ended up in our landfills or ocean and we know have ended up in our landfills or ocean and we know that have ended up in our landfills or ocean and we know that New ocean and we know that New Zealanders ocean and we know that New Zealanders are ocean and we know that New Zealanders are ready ocean and we know that New Zealanders are ready to ocean and we know that New Zealanders are ready to do ocean and we know that New Zealanders are ready to do more. Zealanders are ready to do more. Supplementary. Zealanders are ready to do more. Supplementary. Why Zealanders are ready to do more. Supplementary. Why has Zealanders are ready to do more. Supplementary. Why has the Supplementary. Why has the government Supplementary. Why has the government acted Supplementary. Why has the government acted to Supplementary. Why has the government acted to phase Supplementary. Why has the government acted to phase out government acted to phase out problem government acted to phase out problem plastics? government acted to phase out problem plastics? Mr government acted to phase out problem plastics? Mr Speaker, government acted to phase out problem plastics? Mr Speaker, in government acted to phase out problem plastics? Mr Speaker, in the problem plastics? Mr Speaker, in the case problem plastics? Mr Speaker, in the case of problem plastics? Mr Speaker, in the case of PVC problem plastics? Mr Speaker, in the case of PVC and problem plastics? Mr Speaker, in the case of PVC and some problem plastics? Mr Speaker, in the case of PVC and some degradable case of PVC and some degradable plastics, case of PVC and some degradable plastics, they case of PVC and some degradable plastics, they can't case of PVC and some degradable plastics, they can't be case of PVC and some degradable plastics, they can't be practically plastics, they can't be practically distinguished plastics, they can't be practically distinguished and plastics, they can't be practically distinguished and recyclabled distinguished and recyclabled compare distinguished and recyclabled compare pandemic distinguished and recyclabled compare pandemic other distinguished and recyclabled compare pandemic other alternatives, compare pandemic other alternatives, and compare pandemic other alternatives, and so compare pandemic other alternatives, and so what compare pandemic other alternatives, and so what happens compare pandemic other alternatives, and so what happens in compare pandemic other alternatives, and so what happens in practice compare pandemic other alternatives, and so what happens in practice is and so what happens in practice is they and so what happens in practice is they contaminate and so what happens in practice is they contaminate the and so what happens in practice is they contaminate the recycling and so what happens in practice is they contaminate the recycling of they contaminate the recycling of other they contaminate the recycling of other plastics they contaminate the recycling of other plastics so they contaminate the recycling of other plastics so we've they contaminate the recycling of other plastics so we've got they contaminate the recycling of other plastics so we've got to other plastics so we've got to manage other plastics so we've got to manage them other plastics so we've got to manage them out other plastics so we've got to manage them out of other plastics so we've got to manage them out of the other plastics so we've got to manage them out of the system. other plastics so we've got to manage them out of the system. Other manage them out of the system. Other single manage them out of the system. Other single use manage them out of the system. Other single use items manage them out of the system. Other single use items often manage them out of the system. Other single use items often end manage them out of the system. Other single use items often end up manage them out of the system. Other single use items often end up as single use items often end up as waste single use items often end up as waste in single use items often end up as waste in landfills single use items often end up as waste in landfills or single use items often end up as waste in landfills or cause waste in landfills or cause pollution. waste in landfills or cause pollution. New waste in landfills or cause pollution. New Zealand's waste in landfills or cause pollution. New Zealand's not waste in landfills or cause pollution. New Zealand's not got waste in landfills or cause pollution. New Zealand's not got a pollution. New Zealand's not got a very pollution. New Zealand's not got a very good pollution. New Zealand's not got a very good record pollution. New Zealand's not got a very good record in pollution. New Zealand's not got a very good record in this pollution. New Zealand's not got a very good record in this regard pollution. New Zealand's not got a very good record in this regard and very good record in this regard and we very good record in this regard and we need very good record in this regard and we need to very good record in this regard and we need to do very good record in this regard and we need to do a very good record in this regard and we need to do a lot very good record in this regard and we need to do a lot better. very good record in this regard and we need to do a lot better. We're we need to do a lot better. We're one we need to do a lot better. We're one of we need to do a lot better. We're one of the we need to do a lot better. We're one of the worst we need to do a lot better. We're one of the worst in we need to do a lot better. We're one of the worst in the we need to do a lot better. We're one of the worst in the OECD we need to do a lot better. We're one of the worst in the OECD in one of the worst in the OECD in terms one of the worst in the OECD in terms of one of the worst in the OECD in terms of the one of the worst in the OECD in terms of the plastic one of the worst in the OECD in terms of the plastic waste one of the worst in the OECD in terms of the plastic waste per terms of the plastic waste per capita. terms of the plastic waste per capita. We terms of the plastic waste per capita. We think terms of the plastic waste per capita. We think that terms of the plastic waste per capita. We think that New terms of the plastic waste per capita. We think that New Zealanders capita. We think that New Zealanders support capita. We think that New Zealanders support change. capita. We think that New Zealanders support change. We capita. We think that New Zealanders support change. We consulted capita. We think that New Zealanders support change. We consulted on support change. We consulted on these support change. We consulted on these changes, support change. We consulted on these changes, 8,000 support change. We consulted on these changes, 8,000 people support change. We consulted on these changes, 8,000 people and these changes, 8,000 people and businesses these changes, 8,000 people and businesses responded, these changes, 8,000 people and businesses responded, and these changes, 8,000 people and businesses responded, and the these changes, 8,000 people and businesses responded, and the vast businesses responded, and the vast majority businesses responded, and the vast majority supported businesses responded, and the vast majority supported the businesses responded, and the vast majority supported the proposals. businesses responded, and the vast majority supported the proposals. We majority supported the proposals. We think majority supported the proposals. We think phasing majority supported the proposals. We think phasing out majority supported the proposals. We think phasing out unnecessary majority supported the proposals. We think phasing out unnecessary and think phasing out unnecessary and problematic think phasing out unnecessary and problematic plastics think phasing out unnecessary and problematic plastics will think phasing out unnecessary and problematic plastics will help problematic plastics will help reduce problematic plastics will help reduce waste, problematic plastics will help reduce waste, improve problematic plastics will help reduce waste, improve recycling problematic plastics will help reduce waste, improve recycling and reduce waste, improve recycling and move reduce waste, improve recycling and move us reduce waste, improve recycling and move us towards reduce waste, improve recycling and move us towards a reduce waste, improve recycling and move us towards a circular reduce waste, improve recycling and move us towards a circular economy. move us towards a circular economy. Supplementary. move us towards a circular economy. Supplementary. How move us towards a circular economy. 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Projects support the economy. Projects designing support the economy. Projects designing out support the economy. Projects designing out waste support the economy. Projects designing out waste and support the economy. Projects designing out waste and products support the economy. 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They should dispose of them in rubbish bins. <INTERRUPTION> rubbish bins. <INTERRUPTION> Question rubbish bins. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. rubbish bins. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 7. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Justice: My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he stand by all My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he stand by all of My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he stand by all of his Justice: Does he stand by all of his statements Justice: Does he stand by all of his statements and Justice: Does he stand by all of his statements and policies Justice: Does he stand by all of his statements and policies on Justice: Does he stand by all of his statements and policies on his statements and policies on his proposed statements and policies on his proposed hate statements and policies on his proposed hate speech statements and policies on his proposed hate speech law statements and policies on his proposed hate speech law changes? The The Hon The Hon Kris The Hon Kris Faafoi. The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, yes, The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, yes, because The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, yes, because as The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, yes, because as I The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, yes, because as I said The Hon Kris Faafoi. Mr Speaker, yes, because as I said yesterday The Hon Kris Faafoi. 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That all communities will benefit from the communities will benefit from the government's communities will benefit from the government's proposed communities will benefit from the government's proposed three communities will benefit from the government's proposed three waters government's proposed three waters reforms. government's proposed three waters reforms. Without government's proposed three waters reforms. Without this government's proposed three waters reforms. Without this change, reforms. Without this change, communities reforms. Without this change, communities are reforms. Without this change, communities are going reforms. Without this change, communities are going to reforms. Without this change, communities are going to either reforms. 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Can she therefore guarantee that the three waters guarantee that the three waters reforms guarantee that the three waters reforms will guarantee that the three waters reforms will remain guarantee that the three waters reforms will remain voluntary guarantee that the three waters reforms will remain voluntary and reforms will remain voluntary and that reforms will remain voluntary and that central reforms will remain voluntary and that central government reforms will remain voluntary and that central government will reforms will remain voluntary and that central government will not that central government will not force that central government will not force or that central government will not force or mandate that central government will not force or mandate councils that central government will not force or mandate councils to force or mandate councils to participate force or mandate councils to participate in force or mandate councils to participate in amalgamation? force or mandate councils to participate in amalgamation? 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New Zealand state schools are required to this country. New Zealand state schools are required to ensure this country. New Zealand state schools are required to ensure a schools are required to ensure a safe schools are required to ensure a safe and schools are required to ensure a safe and inclusive schools are required to ensure a safe and inclusive environment schools are required to ensure a safe and inclusive environment for safe and inclusive environment for their safe and inclusive environment for their schools, safe and inclusive environment for their schools, and safe and inclusive environment for their schools, and the safe and inclusive environment for their schools, and the Minister safe and inclusive environment for their schools, and the Minister of their schools, and the Minister of Education their schools, and the Minister of Education and their schools, and the Minister of Education and his their schools, and the Minister of Education and his socials, their schools, and the Minister of Education and his socials, including Education and his socials, including myself, Education and his socials, including myself, expect Education and his socials, including myself, expect schools Education and his socials, including myself, expect schools to Education and his socials, including myself, expect schools to have myself, expect schools to have policies, myself, expect schools to have policies, practices myself, expect schools to have policies, practices and myself, expect schools to have policies, practices and programmes policies, practices and programmes which policies, practices and programmes which support policies, practices and programmes which support a policies, practices and programmes which support a bully-free which support a bully-free environment which support a bully-free environment including which support a bully-free environment including programmes environment including programmes which environment including programmes which are environment including programmes which are - environment including programmes which are - give environment including programmes which are - give attention environment including programmes which are - give attention to environment including programmes which are - give attention to the which are - give attention to the elimination which are - give attention to the elimination of which are - give attention to the elimination of homophobic which are - give attention to the elimination of homophobic bullying, elimination of homophobic bullying, trance elimination of homophobic bullying, trance Jane elimination of homophobic bullying, trance Jane bullying elimination of homophobic bullying, trance Jane bullying and elimination of homophobic bullying, trance Jane bullying and sexual trance Jane bullying and sexual harassment. trance Jane bullying and sexual harassment. Clearly, trance Jane bullying and sexual harassment. Clearly, Mr trance Jane bullying and sexual harassment. Clearly, Mr Speaker, harassment. Clearly, Mr Speaker, there harassment. Clearly, Mr Speaker, there is harassment. Clearly, Mr Speaker, there is more harassment. Clearly, Mr Speaker, there is more work harassment. Clearly, Mr Speaker, there is more work to harassment. Clearly, Mr Speaker, there is more work to do harassment. Clearly, Mr Speaker, there is more work to do in harassment. Clearly, Mr Speaker, there is more work to do in this there is more work to do in this area, there is more work to do in this area, and there is more work to do in this area, and these there is more work to do in this area, and these are there is more work to do in this area, and these are conversations area, and these are conversations that area, and these are conversations that I area, and these are conversations that I wish area, and these are conversations that I wish to area, and these are conversations that I wish to continue area, and these are conversations that I wish to continue with area, and these are conversations that I wish to continue with the that I wish to continue with the member that I wish to continue with the member but that I wish to continue with the member but also that I wish to continue with the member but also the that I wish to continue with the member but also the minister, that I wish to continue with the member but also the minister, the member but also the minister, the Hon member but also the minister, the Hon Marama member but also the minister, the Hon Marama Davidson. member but also the minister, the Hon Marama Davidson. Supplementary. Hon Marama Davidson. Supplementary. Is Hon Marama Davidson. Supplementary. Is she Hon Marama Davidson. Supplementary. Is she monitoring Hon Marama Davidson. Supplementary. Is she monitoring the Hon Marama Davidson. Supplementary. Is she monitoring the implementation Is she monitoring the implementation of Is she monitoring the implementation of the Is she monitoring the implementation of the recommendations Is she monitoring the implementation of the recommendations made Is she monitoring the implementation of the recommendations made in Is she monitoring the implementation of the recommendations made in the of the recommendations made in the 2008 of the recommendations made in the 2008 Aero of the recommendations made in the 2008 Aero report of the recommendations made in the 2008 Aero report promoting of the recommendations made in the 2008 Aero report promoting wellbeing 2008 Aero report promoting wellbeing through 2008 Aero report promoting wellbeing through sexual 2008 Aero report promoting wellbeing through sexual education 2008 Aero report promoting wellbeing through sexual education that through sexual education that depressingly through sexual education that depressingly found through sexual education that depressingly found only through sexual education that depressingly found only 20% through sexual education that depressingly found only 20% of depressingly found only 20% of schools depressingly found only 20% of schools were depressingly found only 20% of schools were teaching depressingly found only 20% of schools were teaching sexuality schools were teaching sexuality education schools were teaching sexuality education well schools were teaching sexuality education well and, schools were teaching sexuality education well and, if schools were teaching sexuality education well and, if yes, schools were teaching sexuality education well and, if yes, what schools were teaching sexuality education well and, if yes, what has education well and, if yes, what has changed education well and, if yes, what has changed for education well and, if yes, what has changed for students education well and, if yes, what has changed for students on education well and, if yes, what has changed for students on the education well and, if yes, what has changed for students on the ground changed for students on the ground since changed for students on the ground since then? changed for students on the ground since then? Mr changed for students on the ground since then? Mr Speaker, changed for students on the ground since then? Mr Speaker, the changed for students on the ground since then? Mr Speaker, the results since then? Mr Speaker, the results of since then? Mr Speaker, the results of the since then? Mr Speaker, the results of the 2008 since then? Mr Speaker, the results of the 2008 report since then? Mr Speaker, the results of the 2008 report -- since then? Mr Speaker, the results of the 2008 report -- 2018 since then? Mr Speaker, the results of the 2008 report -- 2018 aero of the 2008 report -- 2018 aero report of the 2008 report -- 2018 aero report Wereboldera of the 2008 report -- 2018 aero report Wereboldera concerning of the 2008 report -- 2018 aero report Wereboldera concerning and of the 2008 report -- 2018 aero report Wereboldera concerning and as report Wereboldera concerning and as a report Wereboldera concerning and as a direct report Wereboldera concerning and as a direct result report Wereboldera concerning and as a direct result of report Wereboldera concerning and as a direct result of that report Wereboldera concerning and as a direct result of that report a direct result of that report guidelines a direct result of that report guidelines from a direct result of that report guidelines from the a direct result of that report guidelines from the Ministry a direct result of that report guidelines from the Ministry of guidelines from the Ministry of Education guidelines from the Ministry of Education on guidelines from the Ministry of Education on relationships guidelines from the Ministry of Education on relationships and Education on relationships and sexuality Education on relationships and sexuality education Education on relationships and sexuality education were Education on relationships and sexuality education were implemented sexuality education were implemented in sexuality education were implemented in 2020 sexuality education were implemented in 2020 that sexuality education were implemented in 2020 that expect sexuality education were implemented in 2020 that expect that sexuality education were implemented in 2020 that expect that schools in 2020 that expect that schools will in 2020 that expect that schools will teach in 2020 that expect that schools will teach and in 2020 that expect that schools will teach and develop in 2020 that expect that schools will teach and develop students' in 2020 that expect that schools will teach and develop students' - will teach and develop students' - in will teach and develop students' - in students will teach and develop students' - in students knowledge will teach and develop students' - in students knowledge of will teach and develop students' - in students knowledge of issues in students knowledge of issues around in students knowledge of issues around coercion, in students knowledge of issues around coercion, consent in students knowledge of issues around coercion, consent and in students knowledge of issues around coercion, consent and safety around coercion, consent and safety in around coercion, consent and safety in intimate around coercion, consent and safety in intimate relationships, around coercion, consent and safety in intimate relationships, effective in intimate relationships, effective and in intimate relationships, effective and assertive in intimate relationships, effective and assertive communication in intimate relationships, effective and assertive communication skills, and assertive communication skills, awareness and assertive communication skills, awareness of and assertive communication skills, awareness of evidencics and assertive communication skills, awareness of evidencics and and assertive communication skills, awareness of evidencics and their awareness of evidencics and their own awareness of evidencics and their own personal awareness of evidencics and their own personal values awareness of evidencics and their own personal values and awareness of evidencics and their own personal values and a awareness of evidencics and their own personal values and a respect own personal values and a respect for own personal values and a respect for feelings own personal values and a respect for feelings and own personal values and a respect for feelings and decisions own personal values and a respect for feelings and decisions of for feelings and decisions of others. for feelings and decisions of others. In for feelings and decisions of others. In budget for feelings and decisions of others. In budget 2020, for feelings and decisions of others. In budget 2020, we for feelings and decisions of others. In budget 2020, we funded for feelings and decisions of others. In budget 2020, we funded 40 others. In budget 2020, we funded 40 curriculum others. In budget 2020, we funded 40 curriculum wellbeing others. In budget 2020, we funded 40 curriculum wellbeing leads others. In budget 2020, we funded 40 curriculum wellbeing leads in others. In budget 2020, we funded 40 curriculum wellbeing leads in the curriculum wellbeing leads in the Ministry curriculum wellbeing leads in the Ministry of curriculum wellbeing leads in the Ministry of Education curriculum wellbeing leads in the Ministry of Education to curriculum wellbeing leads in the Ministry of Education to support Ministry of Education to support schools Ministry of Education to support schools in Ministry of Education to support schools in delivering Ministry of Education to support schools in delivering this Ministry of Education to support schools in delivering this part Ministry of Education to support schools in delivering this part of schools in delivering this part of the schools in delivering this part of the New schools in delivering this part of the New Zealand schools in delivering this part of the New Zealand curriculum. schools in delivering this part of the New Zealand curriculum. We the New Zealand curriculum. We expect the New Zealand curriculum. We expect all the New Zealand curriculum. We expect all schools the New Zealand curriculum. We expect all schools to the New Zealand curriculum. We expect all schools to be the New Zealand curriculum. We expect all schools to be delivering expect all schools to be delivering on expect all schools to be delivering on the expect all schools to be delivering on the requirements expect all schools to be delivering on the requirements that expect all schools to be delivering on the requirements that sit expect all schools to be delivering on the requirements that sit within on the requirements that sit within the on the requirements that sit within the New on the requirements that sit within the New Zealand on the requirements that sit within the New Zealand curriculum on the requirements that sit within the New Zealand curriculum and on the requirements that sit within the New Zealand curriculum and in the New Zealand curriculum and in particular the New Zealand curriculum and in particular those the New Zealand curriculum and in particular those around the New Zealand curriculum and in particular those around relationship particular those around relationship and particular those around relationship and sexuality. particular those around relationship and sexuality. I particular those around relationship and sexuality. I also particular those around relationship and sexuality. I also expect particular those around relationship and sexuality. I also expect to particular those around relationship and sexuality. I also expect to get and sexuality. I also expect to get detailed and sexuality. I also expect to get detailed updates and sexuality. I also expect to get detailed updates in and sexuality. I also expect to get detailed updates in that and sexuality. I also expect to get detailed updates in that area. detailed updates in that area. Supplementary. detailed updates in that area. Supplementary. If detailed updates in that area. Supplementary. If Christchurch Supplementary. If Christchurch girls' Supplementary. If Christchurch girls' high Supplementary. If Christchurch girls' high school Supplementary. If Christchurch girls' high school has, Supplementary. If Christchurch girls' high school has, with Supplementary. If Christchurch girls' high school has, with the girls' high school has, with the minister's girls' high school has, with the minister's support, girls' high school has, with the minister's support, had girls' high school has, with the minister's support, had to girls' high school has, with the minister's support, had to employ minister's support, had to employ two minister's support, had to employ two more minister's support, had to employ two more counsellors, minister's support, had to employ two more counsellors, provided two more counsellors, provided additional two more counsellors, provided additional support two more counsellors, provided additional support for two more counsellors, provided additional support for teach, two more counsellors, provided additional support for teach, bring additional support for teach, bring agencyings additional support for teach, bring agencyings into additional support for teach, bring agencyings into school additional support for teach, bring agencyings into school to additional support for teach, bring agencyings into school to provide agencyings into school to provide reporting agencyings into school to provide reporting options agencyings into school to provide reporting options and agencyings into school to provide reporting options and setting agencyings into school to provide reporting options and setting up agencyings into school to provide reporting options and setting up new reporting options and setting up new reporting reporting options and setting up new reporting systems, reporting options and setting up new reporting systems, does reporting options and setting up new reporting systems, does thisn't reporting options and setting up new reporting systems, does thisn't -- reporting systems, does thisn't -- doesn't reporting systems, does thisn't -- doesn't this reporting systems, does thisn't -- doesn't this suggest reporting systems, does thisn't -- doesn't this suggest we reporting systems, does thisn't -- doesn't this suggest we need reporting systems, does thisn't -- doesn't this suggest we need to doesn't this suggest we need to properly doesn't this suggest we need to properly resource doesn't this suggest we need to properly resource whole doesn't this suggest we need to properly resource whole of doesn't this suggest we need to properly resource whole of school properly resource whole of school responses properly resource whole of school responses to properly resource whole of school responses to ensure properly resource whole of school responses to ensure all properly resource whole of school responses to ensure all our properly resource whole of school responses to ensure all our students responses to ensure all our students are responses to ensure all our students are safe, responses to ensure all our students are safe, that responses to ensure all our students are safe, that this responses to ensure all our students are safe, that this violence responses to ensure all our students are safe, that this violence isn't are safe, that this violence isn't setly are safe, that this violence isn't setly normalised. are safe, that this violence isn't setly normalised. 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Mr Speaker, this government has increased the number government has increased the number of government has increased the number of counsellors government has increased the number of counsellors in government has increased the number of counsellors in schools government has increased the number of counsellors in schools from government has increased the number of counsellors in schools from the of counsellors in schools from the beginning of counsellors in schools from the beginning of of counsellors in schools from the beginning of this of counsellors in schools from the beginning of this year. of counsellors in schools from the beginning of this year. We of counsellors in schools from the beginning of this year. We increased beginning of this year. We increased the beginning of this year. We increased the full-time beginning of this year. We increased the full-time teacher beginning of this year. We increased the full-time teacher equivalent the full-time teacher equivalent number the full-time teacher equivalent number of the full-time teacher equivalent number of counsellors the full-time teacher equivalent number of counsellors into the full-time teacher equivalent number of counsellors into secondary number of counsellors into secondary schools number of counsellors into secondary schools and number of counsellors into secondary schools and announcement number of counsellors into secondary schools and announcement -- number of counsellors into secondary schools and announcement -- and number of counsellors into secondary schools and announcement -- and an schools and announcement -- and an announcement schools and announcement -- and an announcement is schools and announcement -- and an announcement is to schools and announcement -- and an announcement is to be schools and announcement -- and an announcement is to be made schools and announcement -- and an announcement is to be made soon announcement is to be made soon about announcement is to be made soon about counsellors announcement is to be made soon about counsellors in announcement is to be made soon about counsellors in primary about counsellors in primary schools. about counsellors in primary schools. There about counsellors in primary schools. There is about counsellors in primary schools. There is a about counsellors in primary schools. There is a need about counsellors in primary schools. There is a need to about counsellors in primary schools. There is a need to ensure schools. There is a need to ensure that schools. There is a need to ensure that our schools. There is a need to ensure that our traumatic schools. There is a need to ensure that our traumatic incident schools. There is a need to ensure that our traumatic incident teams that our traumatic incident teams are that our traumatic incident teams are available that our traumatic incident teams are available at that our traumatic incident teams are available at any that our traumatic incident teams are available at any time, that our traumatic incident teams are available at any time, which that our traumatic incident teams are available at any time, which I are available at any time, which I know are available at any time, which I know from are available at any time, which I know from personal are available at any time, which I know from personal experience are available at any time, which I know from personal experience they know from personal experience they are, know from personal experience they are, to know from personal experience they are, to be know from personal experience they are, to be able know from personal experience they are, to be able to know from personal experience they are, to be able to go know from personal experience they are, to be able to go in know from personal experience they are, to be able to go in to know from personal experience they are, to be able to go in to support are, to be able to go in to support those are, to be able to go in to support those schools are, to be able to go in to support those schools and are, to be able to go in to support those schools and those are, to be able to go in to support those schools and those young are, to be able to go in to support those schools and those young people those schools and those young people most those schools and those young people most in those schools and those young people most in need. those schools and those young people most in need. What those schools and those young people most in need. What we those schools and those young people most in need. What we do those schools and those young people most in need. What we do need those schools and those young people most in need. What we do need to those schools and those young people most in need. What we do need to do most in need. What we do need to do - most in need. What we do need to do - say, most in need. What we do need to do - say, though, most in need. What we do need to do - say, though, Mr most in need. What we do need to do - say, though, Mr Speaker, most in need. What we do need to do - say, though, Mr Speaker, is most in need. What we do need to do - say, though, Mr Speaker, is given - say, though, Mr Speaker, is given the - say, though, Mr Speaker, is given the seriousness - say, though, Mr Speaker, is given the seriousness of - say, though, Mr Speaker, is given the seriousness of what - say, though, Mr Speaker, is given the seriousness of what this - say, though, Mr Speaker, is given the seriousness of what this report the seriousness of what this report has the seriousness of what this report has brought the seriousness of what this report has brought to the seriousness of what this report has brought to light, the seriousness of what this report has brought to light, that the seriousness of what this report has brought to light, that this the seriousness of what this report has brought to light, that this is has brought to light, that this is not has brought to light, that this is not something has brought to light, that this is not something that has brought to light, that this is not something that we has brought to light, that this is not something that we can has brought to light, that this is not something that we can expect not something that we can expect teachers not something that we can expect teachers to not something that we can expect teachers to fully not something that we can expect teachers to fully address teachers to fully address themselves. teachers to fully address themselves. We teachers to fully address themselves. We have teachers to fully address themselves. We have a teachers to fully address themselves. We have a responsibility themselves. We have a responsibility every themselves. We have a responsibility every single themselves. We have a responsibility every single one themselves. We have a responsibility every single one of themselves. We have a responsibility every single one of us themselves. We have a responsibility every single one of us to themselves. We have a responsibility every single one of us to change every single one of us to change attitudes, every single one of us to change attitudes, assumptions every single one of us to change attitudes, assumptions and every single one of us to change attitudes, assumptions and cultures attitudes, assumptions and cultures around attitudes, assumptions and cultures around sexual attitudes, assumptions and cultures around sexual harassment attitudes, assumptions and cultures around sexual harassment across attitudes, assumptions and cultures around sexual harassment across our around sexual harassment across our society. around sexual harassment across our society. Question around sexual harassment across our society. Question number around sexual harassment across our society. Question number 12. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the to My question is to the to the My question is to the to the Hon My question is to the to the Hon Dr My question is to the to the Hon Dr Megan My question is to the to the Hon Dr Megan Woods My question is to the to the Hon Dr Megan Woods on My question is to the to the Hon Dr Megan Woods on Behalf My question is to the to the Hon Dr Megan Woods on Behalf of My question is to the to the Hon Dr Megan Woods on Behalf of Associate Megan Woods on Behalf of Associate Minister Megan Woods on Behalf of Associate Minister of Megan Woods on Behalf of Associate Minister of Housing: Minister of Housing: What Minister of Housing: What criteria Minister of Housing: What criteria are Minister of Housing: What criteria are used Minister of Housing: What criteria are used to What criteria are used to determine What criteria are used to determine which What criteria are used to determine which K inga What criteria are used to determine which K inga Ora What criteria are used to determine which K inga Ora homes determine which K inga Ora homes should determine which K inga Ora homes should have determine which K inga Ora homes should have first determine which K inga Ora homes should have first priority determine which K inga Ora homes should have first priority when should have first priority when ensuring should have first priority when ensuring State-owned should have first priority when ensuring State-owned homes should have first priority when ensuring State-owned homes meet should have first priority when ensuring State-owned homes meet the ensuring State-owned homes meet the healthy ensuring State-owned homes meet the healthy homes ensuring State-owned homes meet the healthy homes standards? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, on Mr Speaker, on behalf Mr Speaker, on behalf of Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Mr Speaker, on behalf of the minister, Mr Speaker, on behalf of the minister, the Mr Speaker, on behalf of the minister, the approach Mr Speaker, on behalf of the minister, the approach in Mr Speaker, on behalf of the minister, the approach in the Mr Speaker, on behalf of the minister, the approach in the first minister, the approach in the first year minister, the approach in the first year prioritised minister, the approach in the first year prioritised homes minister, the approach in the first year prioritised homes with minister, the approach in the first year prioritised homes with multiple year prioritised homes with multiple young year prioritised homes with multiple young children, year prioritised homes with multiple young children, elderly, year prioritised homes with multiple young children, elderly, those year prioritised homes with multiple young children, elderly, those with young children, elderly, those with disabilities, young children, elderly, those with disabilities, and young children, elderly, those with disabilities, and those young children, elderly, those with disabilities, and those who young children, elderly, those with disabilities, and those who had young children, elderly, those with disabilities, and those who had been disabilities, and those who had been through disabilities, and those who had been through the disabilities, and those who had been through the rheumatic disabilities, and those who had been through the rheumatic fever through the rheumatic fever prevention through the rheumatic fever prevention programme, through the rheumatic fever prevention programme, referred through the rheumatic fever prevention programme, referred from prevention programme, referred from District prevention programme, referred from District Heath prevention programme, referred from District Heath Boards. prevention programme, referred from District Heath Boards. There's prevention programme, referred from District Heath Boards. There's also District Heath Boards. There's also an District Heath Boards. There's also an isolation District Heath Boards. There's also an isolation process District Heath Boards. There's also an isolation process whereby an isolation process whereby customers an isolation process whereby customers who an isolation process whereby customers who may an isolation process whereby customers who may need an isolation process whereby customers who may need healthy an isolation process whereby customers who may need healthy homes customers who may need healthy homes intervention customers who may need healthy homes intervention sooner customers who may need healthy homes intervention sooner can customers who may need healthy homes intervention sooner can discuss intervention sooner can discuss their intervention sooner can discuss their concerns intervention sooner can discuss their concerns with intervention sooner can discuss their concerns with their intervention sooner can discuss their concerns with their tenancy their concerns with their tenancy manager. their concerns with their tenancy manager. Supplementary. their concerns with their tenancy manager. Supplementary. Does their concerns with their tenancy manager. Supplementary. Does she manager. Supplementary. Does she believe manager. Supplementary. Does she believe it's manager. Supplementary. Does she believe it's acceptable manager. Supplementary. Does she believe it's acceptable a manager. Supplementary. Does she believe it's acceptable a terminally believe it's acceptable a terminally ill believe it's acceptable a terminally ill man believe it's acceptable a terminally ill man living believe it's acceptable a terminally ill man living in believe it's acceptable a terminally ill man living in a believe it's acceptable a terminally ill man living in a Kainga believe it's acceptable a terminally ill man living in a Kainga Ora believe it's acceptable a terminally ill man living in a Kainga Ora home ill man living in a Kainga Ora home has ill man living in a Kainga Ora home has to ill man living in a Kainga Ora home has to fight ill man living in a Kainga Ora home has to fight to ill man living in a Kainga Ora home has to fight to get ill man living in a Kainga Ora home has to fight to get a ill man living in a Kainga Ora home has to fight to get a heat ill man living in a Kainga Ora home has to fight to get a heat pump ill man living in a Kainga Ora home has to fight to get a heat pump in has to fight to get a heat pump in the has to fight to get a heat pump in the middle has to fight to get a heat pump in the middle of has to fight to get a heat pump in the middle of winter, has to fight to get a heat pump in the middle of winter, when has to fight to get a heat pump in the middle of winter, when private the middle of winter, when private landlords the middle of winter, when private landlords under the middle of winter, when private landlords under healthy the middle of winter, when private landlords under healthy home landlords under healthy home standards landlords under healthy home standards coming landlords under healthy home standards coming into landlords under healthy home standards coming into force landlords under healthy home standards coming into force tomorrow standards coming into force tomorrow have standards coming into force tomorrow have been standards coming into force tomorrow have been forced standards coming into force tomorrow have been forced to standards coming into force tomorrow have been forced to install standards coming into force tomorrow have been forced to install heat have been forced to install heat pumps? have been forced to install heat pumps? Mr have been forced to install heat pumps? Mr Speaker, have been forced to install heat pumps? Mr Speaker, in have been forced to install heat pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer have been forced to install heat pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer to have been forced to install heat pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer to the pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer to the first pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of the pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of the question, pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of the question, do pumps? Mr Speaker, in answer to the first part of the question, do I first part of the question, do I think first part of the question, do I think it first part of the question, do I think it is first part of the question, do I think it is acceptable first part of the question, do I think it is acceptable or first part of the question, do I think it is acceptable or behalf first part of the question, do I think it is acceptable or behalf of think it is acceptable or behalf of -- think it is acceptable or behalf of -- on think it is acceptable or behalf of -- on bare think it is acceptable or behalf of -- on bare of think it is acceptable or behalf of -- on bare of the think it is acceptable or behalf of -- on bare of the minister, think it is acceptable or behalf of -- on bare of the minister, no, -- on bare of the minister, no, that's -- on bare of the minister, no, that's not -- on bare of the minister, no, that's not acceptable, -- on bare of the minister, no, that's not acceptable, and -- on bare of the minister, no, that's not acceptable, and that's that's not acceptable, and that's why that's not acceptable, and that's why Kainga that's not acceptable, and that's why Kainga Ora that's not acceptable, and that's why Kainga Ora have that's not acceptable, and that's why Kainga Ora have recognised that's not acceptable, and that's why Kainga Ora have recognised this, why Kainga Ora have recognised this, rectified why Kainga Ora have recognised this, rectified the why Kainga Ora have recognised this, rectified the situation, why Kainga Ora have recognised this, rectified the situation, and rectified the situation, and apologised. rectified the situation, and apologised. 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In answer to the second part of the question, which seemed part of the question, which seemed to part of the question, which seemed to suggest part of the question, which seemed to suggest there's part of the question, which seemed to suggest there's a part of the question, which seemed to suggest there's a differation to suggest there's a differation between to suggest there's a differation between the to suggest there's a differation between the requirements to suggest there's a differation between the requirements under to suggest there's a differation between the requirements under the between the requirements under the healthy between the requirements under the healthy homes between the requirements under the healthy homes legislation between the requirements under the healthy homes legislation on between the requirements under the healthy homes legislation on Kainga healthy homes legislation on Kainga Ora, healthy homes legislation on Kainga Ora, then healthy homes legislation on Kainga Ora, then private healthy homes legislation on Kainga Ora, then private landlords, healthy homes legislation on Kainga Ora, then private landlords, while Ora, then private landlords, while private Ora, then private landlords, while private landlords, Ora, then private landlords, while private landlords, the Ora, then private landlords, while private landlords, the last Ora, then private landlords, while private landlords, the last end Ora, then private landlords, while private landlords, the last end date private landlords, the last end date for private landlords, the last end date for compliance private landlords, the last end date for compliance will private landlords, the last end date for compliance will be private landlords, the last end date for compliance will be 2024 private landlords, the last end date for compliance will be 2024 under for compliance will be 2024 under some for compliance will be 2024 under some circumstances, for compliance will be 2024 under some circumstances, Kainga for compliance will be 2024 under some circumstances, Kainga Ora for compliance will be 2024 under some circumstances, Kainga Ora has some circumstances, Kainga Ora has an some circumstances, Kainga Ora has an end some circumstances, Kainga Ora has an end date some circumstances, Kainga Ora has an end date of some circumstances, Kainga Ora has an end date of 2023 some circumstances, Kainga Ora has an end date of 2023 for some circumstances, Kainga Ora has an end date of 2023 for compliance an end date of 2023 for compliance with an end date of 2023 for compliance with the an end date of 2023 for compliance with the legislation. an end date of 2023 for compliance with the legislation. Supplementary. with the legislation. Supplementary. What with the legislation. Supplementary. What does with the legislation. Supplementary. What does she with the legislation. Supplementary. What does she say with the legislation. Supplementary. What does she say to with the legislation. Supplementary. What does she say to the with the legislation. Supplementary. What does she say to the elderly What does she say to the elderly woman What does she say to the elderly woman who What does she say to the elderly woman who has What does she say to the elderly woman who has been What does she say to the elderly woman who has been denied What does she say to the elderly woman who has been denied a What does she say to the elderly woman who has been denied a heat woman who has been denied a heat pump woman who has been denied a heat pump multiple woman who has been denied a heat pump multiple times woman who has been denied a heat pump multiple times and woman who has been denied a heat pump multiple times and the woman who has been denied a heat pump multiple times and the woman pump multiple times and the woman with pump multiple times and the woman with severe pump multiple times and the woman with severe asthma pump multiple times and the woman with severe asthma who pump multiple times and the woman with severe asthma who has pump multiple times and the woman with severe asthma who has been pump multiple times and the woman with severe asthma who has been in with severe asthma who has been in and with severe asthma who has been in and out with severe asthma who has been in and out of with severe asthma who has been in and out of hospital, with severe asthma who has been in and out of hospital, because with severe asthma who has been in and out of hospital, because her and out of hospital, because her house, and out of hospital, because her house, a and out of hospital, because her house, a Kainga and out of hospital, because her house, a Kainga Ora and out of hospital, because her house, a Kainga Ora house, and out of hospital, because her house, a Kainga Ora house, isn't house, a Kainga Ora house, isn't insulated? house, a Kainga Ora house, isn't insulated? On house, a Kainga Ora house, isn't insulated? On behalf house, a Kainga Ora house, isn't insulated? On behalf of house, a Kainga Ora house, isn't insulated? On behalf of the insulated? On behalf of the minister, insulated? On behalf of the minister, what insulated? On behalf of the minister, what I insulated? On behalf of the minister, what I would insulated? On behalf of the minister, what I would say insulated? On behalf of the minister, what I would say to insulated? On behalf of the minister, what I would say to those minister, what I would say to those two minister, what I would say to those two tenants minister, what I would say to those two tenants is minister, what I would say to those two tenants is there's minister, what I would say to those two tenants is there's an minister, what I would say to those two tenants is there's an escalation two tenants is there's an escalation process. two tenants is there's an escalation process. If two tenants is there's an escalation process. If they two tenants is there's an escalation process. If they haven't two tenants is there's an escalation process. If they haven't been process. If they haven't been referred, process. If they haven't been referred, I process. If they haven't been referred, I ask process. If they haven't been referred, I ask the process. If they haven't been referred, I ask the members process. If they haven't been referred, I ask the members to process. If they haven't been referred, I ask the members to bring referred, I ask the members to bring it referred, I ask the members to bring it to referred, I ask the members to bring it to the referred, I ask the members to bring it to the attention referred, I ask the members to bring it to the attention of referred, I ask the members to bring it to the attention of Kainga referred, I ask the members to bring it to the attention of Kainga Ora. referred, I ask the members to bring it to the attention of Kainga Ora. I it to the attention of Kainga Ora. I do it to the attention of Kainga Ora. I do point it to the attention of Kainga Ora. I do point the it to the attention of Kainga Ora. I do point the member it to the attention of Kainga Ora. I do point the member to it to the attention of Kainga Ora. I do point the member to the it to the attention of Kainga Ora. I do point the member to the fact it to the attention of Kainga Ora. I do point the member to the fact this do point the member to the fact this financial do point the member to the fact this financial year, do point the member to the fact this financial year, 1256 do point the member to the fact this financial year, 1256 upgrades do point the member to the fact this financial year, 1256 upgrades to financial year, 1256 upgrades to healthy financial year, 1256 upgrades to healthy homes financial year, 1256 upgrades to healthy homes standards financial year, 1256 upgrades to healthy homes standards have financial year, 1256 upgrades to healthy homes standards have been healthy homes standards have been completed healthy homes standards have been completed as healthy homes standards have been completed as a healthy homes standards have been completed as a result healthy homes standards have been completed as a result of completed as a result of escalations, completed as a result of escalations, either completed as a result of escalations, either through completed as a result of escalations, either through the escalations, either through the rheumatic escalations, either through the rheumatic fever escalations, either through the rheumatic fever prevention rheumatic fever prevention programme, rheumatic fever prevention programme, or rheumatic fever prevention programme, or escalations rheumatic fever prevention programme, or escalations through programme, or escalations through programme, or escalations through programme, or escalations through tenancy managers programme, or escalations through tenancy managers for programme, or escalations through tenancy managers for at-risk tenancy managers for at-risk tenants. tenancy managers for at-risk tenants. Supplementary. tenancy managers for at-risk tenants. Supplementary. Can tenancy managers for at-risk tenants. Supplementary. Can she tenants. Supplementary. Can she guarantee tenants. Supplementary. Can she guarantee there tenants. Supplementary. Can she guarantee there are tenants. Supplementary. Can she guarantee there are no tenants. Supplementary. Can she guarantee there are no other guarantee there are no other vulnerable guarantee there are no other vulnerable people guarantee there are no other vulnerable people in guarantee there are no other vulnerable people in Kainga guarantee there are no other vulnerable people in Kainga Ora vulnerable people in Kainga Ora homes vulnerable people in Kainga Ora homes suffering vulnerable people in Kainga Ora homes suffering from vulnerable people in Kainga Ora homes suffering from living vulnerable people in Kainga Ora homes suffering from living in vulnerable people in Kainga Ora homes suffering from living in a homes suffering from living in a poor homes suffering from living in a poor quality homes suffering from living in a poor quality state homes suffering from living in a poor quality state home? homes suffering from living in a poor quality state home? On homes suffering from living in a poor quality state home? On behalf poor quality state home? On behalf of poor quality state home? On behalf of the poor quality state home? On behalf of the minister, poor quality state home? On behalf of the minister, no. poor quality state home? On behalf of the minister, no. And poor quality state home? On behalf of the minister, no. And that poor quality state home? On behalf of the minister, no. And that is poor quality state home? On behalf of the minister, no. And that is why of the minister, no. And that is why this of the minister, no. And that is why this is of the minister, no. And that is why this is a of the minister, no. And that is why this is a government of the minister, no. And that is why this is a government that of the minister, no. And that is why this is a government that has of the minister, no. And that is why this is a government that has put of the minister, no. And that is why this is a government that has put in this is a government that has put in place this is a government that has put in place the this is a government that has put in place the requirement this is a government that has put in place the requirement for this is a government that has put in place the requirement for us this is a government that has put in place the requirement for us finally place the requirement for us finally to place the requirement for us finally to provide place the requirement for us finally to provide housing place the requirement for us finally to provide housing whether place the requirement for us finally to provide housing whether that place the requirement for us finally to provide housing whether that be to provide housing whether that be in to provide housing whether that be in the to provide housing whether that be in the private to provide housing whether that be in the private or to provide housing whether that be in the private or public to provide housing whether that be in the private or public sector in the private or public sector that's in the private or public sector that's healthy in the private or public sector that's healthy for in the private or public sector that's healthy for people in the private or public sector that's healthy for people to in the private or public sector that's healthy for people to live that's healthy for people to live in. that's healthy for people to live in. It's that's healthy for people to live in. It's also that's healthy for people to live in. It's also precisely that's healthy for people to live in. It's also precisely as that's healthy for people to live in. It's also precisely as we that's healthy for people to live in. It's also precisely as we need in. It's also precisely as we need the in. It's also precisely as we need the team in. It's also precisely as we need the team to in. It's also precisely as we need the team to roll in. It's also precisely as we need the team to roll it in. It's also precisely as we need the team to roll it out, in. It's also precisely as we need the team to roll it out, we in. It's also precisely as we need the team to roll it out, we have in. It's also precisely as we need the team to roll it out, we have put the team to roll it out, we have put in the team to roll it out, we have put in place the team to roll it out, we have put in place an the team to roll it out, we have put in place an isolation the team to roll it out, we have put in place an isolation process the team to roll it out, we have put in place an isolation process so in place an isolation process so that in place an isolation process so that if in place an isolation process so that if we in place an isolation process so that if we do in place an isolation process so that if we do discover in place an isolation process so that if we do discover people in place an isolation process so that if we do discover people that that if we do discover people that do that if we do discover people that do require that if we do discover people that do require quicker that if we do discover people that do require quicker interventions, that if we do discover people that do require quicker interventions, we do require quicker interventions, we are do require quicker interventions, we are in do require quicker interventions, we are in a do require quicker interventions, we are in a position do require quicker interventions, we are in a position to do require quicker interventions, we are in a position to do do require quicker interventions, we are in a position to do so. do require quicker interventions, we are in a position to do so. That are in a position to do so. That concludes are in a position to do so. That concludes oral are in a position to do so. That concludes oral questions. are in a position to do so. That concludes oral questions. We