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INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Almighty INTERPRETER: Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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Net Crown debt stood at forecast by The Treasury in Budget 2021. Net Crown debt stood at 31.2% 2021. Net Crown debt stood at 31.2% of 2021. Net Crown debt stood at 31.2% of GDP, 2021. Net Crown debt stood at 31.2% of GDP, $6 2021. Net Crown debt stood at 31.2% of GDP, $6 billion 2021. Net Crown debt stood at 31.2% of GDP, $6 billion less 2021. Net Crown debt stood at 31.2% of GDP, $6 billion less than of GDP, $6 billion less than forecast. of GDP, $6 billion less than forecast. While of GDP, $6 billion less than forecast. While the of GDP, $6 billion less than forecast. While the Government's forecast. While the Government's books forecast. While the Government's books are forecast. While the Government's books are in forecast. While the Government's books are in better forecast. While the Government's books are in better shape forecast. 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No reliance on volatile international fuel supply change. No doubt, reliance on volatile international fuel supply change. No doubt, the fuel supply change. No doubt, the ACT fuel supply change. No doubt, the ACT party fuel supply change. No doubt, the ACT party opposes fuel supply change. No doubt, the ACT party opposes it. fuel supply change. No doubt, the ACT party opposes it. Supplementary. ACT party opposes it. Supplementary. What ACT party opposes it. Supplementary. What additional ACT party opposes it. Supplementary. What additional carbon ACT party opposes it. Supplementary. What additional carbon emissions What additional carbon emissions will What additional carbon emissions will be What additional carbon emissions will be reduced What additional carbon emissions will be reduced by What additional carbon emissions will be reduced by the What additional carbon emissions will be reduced by the clean What additional carbon emissions will be reduced by the clean car will be reduced by the clean car package will be reduced by the clean car package that will be reduced by the clean car package that would will be reduced by the clean car package that would not will be reduced by the clean car package that would not otherwise package that would not otherwise have package that would not otherwise have been package that would not otherwise have been captured package that would not otherwise have been captured under package that would not otherwise have been captured under the have been captured under the Emissions have been captured under the Emissions Trading have been captured under the Emissions Trading Scheme have been captured under the Emissions Trading Scheme cap? have been captured under the Emissions Trading Scheme cap? When Emissions Trading Scheme cap? When the Emissions Trading Scheme cap? When the Emissions Emissions Trading Scheme cap? When the Emissions Trading Emissions Trading Scheme cap? When the Emissions Trading Scheme Emissions Trading Scheme cap? When the Emissions Trading Scheme was the Emissions Trading Scheme was established the Emissions Trading Scheme was established by the Emissions Trading Scheme was established by a the Emissions Trading Scheme was established by a previous the Emissions Trading Scheme was established by a previous Labour established by a previous Labour government, established by a previous Labour government, it established by a previous Labour government, it was established by a previous Labour government, it was never established by a previous Labour government, it was never envisaged government, it was never envisaged that government, it was never envisaged that there government, it was never envisaged that there would government, it was never envisaged that there would never government, it was never envisaged that there would never be government, it was never envisaged that there would never be any that there would never be any specific that there would never be any specific measures that there would never be any specific measures to that there would never be any specific measures to support that there would never be any specific measures to support New specific measures to support New Zealanders specific measures to support New Zealanders to specific measures to support New Zealanders to reduce specific measures to support New Zealanders to reduce their Zealanders to reduce their emissions. 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If $1.30 per litre on petrol prices. If the $1.30 per litre on petrol prices. If the member $1.30 per litre on petrol prices. If the member wants $1.30 per litre on petrol prices. If the member wants to $1.30 per litre on petrol prices. If the member wants to campaign $1.30 per litre on petrol prices. If the member wants to campaign on $1.30 per litre on petrol prices. If the member wants to campaign on that the member wants to campaign on that policy, the member wants to campaign on that policy, he's the member wants to campaign on that policy, he's welcome the member wants to campaign on that policy, he's welcome to the member wants to campaign on that policy, he's welcome to do the member wants to campaign on that policy, he's welcome to do so. policy, he's welcome to do so. Supplementary. policy, he's welcome to do so. Supplementary. The policy, he's welcome to do so. Supplementary. The Minister's policy, he's welcome to do so. Supplementary. The Minister's quoted Supplementary. 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Where does the Minister get his figures on the Minister get his figures on the negative Minister get his figures on the negative cost Minister get his figures on the negative cost of Minister get his figures on the negative cost of carbon Minister get his figures on the negative cost of carbon from? Minister get his figures on the negative cost of carbon from? From negative cost of carbon from? From the negative cost of carbon from? From the regulatory negative cost of carbon from? From the regulatory impact negative cost of carbon from? From the regulatory impact statement. the regulatory impact statement. Further the regulatory impact statement. Further supplementary. the regulatory impact statement. Further supplementary. How the regulatory impact statement. Further supplementary. How does the regulatory impact statement. Further supplementary. How does that Further supplementary. How does that compare Further supplementary. How does that compare with Further supplementary. 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As I just outlined in my previous answer, Emissions Trading Scheme? As I just outlined in my previous answer, if outlined in my previous answer, if we outlined in my previous answer, if we relied outlined in my previous answer, if we relied solely outlined in my previous answer, if we relied solely on outlined in my previous answer, if we relied solely on the outlined in my previous answer, if we relied solely on the Emissions we relied solely on the Emissions Trading we relied solely on the Emissions Trading Scheme we relied solely on the Emissions Trading Scheme and we relied solely on the Emissions Trading Scheme and the we relied solely on the Emissions Trading Scheme and the price we relied solely on the Emissions Trading Scheme and the price of Trading Scheme and the price of carbon Trading Scheme and the price of carbon to Trading Scheme and the price of carbon to achieve Trading Scheme and the price of carbon to achieve the Trading Scheme and the price of carbon to achieve the same Trading Scheme and the price of carbon to achieve the same uptake Trading Scheme and the price of carbon to achieve the same uptake of carbon to achieve the same uptake of electric carbon to achieve the same uptake of electric vehicles, carbon to achieve the same uptake of electric vehicles, would carbon to achieve the same uptake of electric vehicles, would have carbon to achieve the same uptake of electric vehicles, would have -- carbon to achieve the same uptake of electric vehicles, would have -- we electric vehicles, would have -- we would electric vehicles, would have -- we would have electric vehicles, would have -- we would have to electric vehicles, would have -- we would have to price electric vehicles, would have -- we would have to price carbon electric vehicles, would have -- we would have to price carbon at would have to price carbon at approximately would have to price carbon at approximately $5 would have to price carbon at approximately $5 5 would have to price carbon at approximately $5 5 per would have to price carbon at approximately $5 5 per tonne approximately $5 5 per tonne compared approximately $5 5 per tonne compared to approximately $5 5 per tonne compared to the approximately $5 5 per tonne compared to the current approximately $5 5 per tonne compared to the current level approximately $5 5 per tonne compared to the current level of compared to the current level of approximately compared to the current level of approximately $40 compared to the current level of approximately $40 per compared to the current level of approximately $40 per tonne. compared to the current level of approximately $40 per tonne. That approximately $40 per tonne. That would approximately $40 per tonne. That would be approximately $40 per tonne. That would be an approximately $40 per tonne. That would be an extra approximately $40 per tonne. That would be an extra $1.30 approximately $40 per tonne. That would be an extra $1.30 per approximately $40 per tonne. That would be an extra $1.30 per litre approximately $40 per tonne. That would be an extra $1.30 per litre on would be an extra $1.30 per litre on the would be an extra $1.30 per litre on the price would be an extra $1.30 per litre on the price of would be an extra $1.30 per litre on the price of petrol. would be an extra $1.30 per litre on the price of petrol. That would be an extra $1.30 per litre on the price of petrol. That is would be an extra $1.30 per litre on the price of petrol. That is not the price of petrol. That is not this the price of petrol. That is not this government's the price of petrol. That is not this government's policy. this government's policy. Question this government's policy. Question No. this government's policy. Question No. 4, this government's policy. Question No. 4, Dr this government's policy. Question No. 4, Dr Emily this government's policy. Question No. 4, Dr Emily Henderson. 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When he announced another 6-month When he announced another 6-month consultation When he announced another 6-month consultation on When he announced another 6-month consultation on light When he announced another 6-month consultation on light rail When he announced another 6-month consultation on light rail just consultation on light rail just three consultation on light rail just three months consultation on light rail just three months ago, consultation on light rail just three months ago, was consultation on light rail just three months ago, was it consultation on light rail just three months ago, was it his three months ago, was it his understanding three months ago, was it his understanding half three months ago, was it his understanding half of three months ago, was it his understanding half of those three months ago, was it his understanding half of those six understanding half of those six months understanding half of those six months would understanding half of those six months would be understanding half of those six months would be spent understanding half of those six months would be spent doing understanding half of those six months would be spent doing nothing months would be spent doing nothing but months would be spent doing nothing but designing months would be spent doing nothing but designing a months would be spent doing nothing but designing a website months would be spent doing nothing but designing a website and months would be spent doing nothing but designing a website and a months would be spent doing nothing but designing a website and a map? but designing a website and a map? 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And the space of -- in the space of approximately of -- in the space of approximately two of -- in the space of approximately two months, of -- in the space of approximately two months, the of -- in the space of approximately two months, the light of -- in the space of approximately two months, the light rail two months, the light rail establishment two months, the light rail establishment unit two months, the light rail establishment unit has two months, the light rail establishment unit has got two months, the light rail establishment unit has got under two months, the light rail establishment unit has got under way establishment unit has got under way with establishment unit has got under way with producing establishment unit has got under way with producing an establishment unit has got under way with producing an indicative with producing an indicative business with producing an indicative business case with producing an indicative business case which with producing an indicative business case which will with producing an indicative business case which will inform business case which will inform Cabinet business case which will inform Cabinet decision-making business case which will inform Cabinet decision-making later business case which will inform Cabinet decision-making later in business case which will inform Cabinet decision-making later in the Cabinet decision-making later in the year. 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The The Hon The Hon Nanaia The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. New The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. New Zealand The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. New Zealand is The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. New Zealand is actively The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. New Zealand is actively engaged The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. New Zealand is actively engaged as The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. New Zealand is actively engaged as a The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. New Zealand is actively engaged as a member The Hon Nanaia Mahuta. 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It doesn't change the prosecutorily thresholds or the prosecutorily thresholds or the thresholds prosecutorily thresholds or the thresholds that prosecutorily thresholds or the thresholds that judges prosecutorily thresholds or the thresholds that judges will prosecutorily thresholds or the thresholds that judges will apply prosecutorily thresholds or the thresholds that judges will apply in thresholds that judges will apply in relation thresholds that judges will apply in relation to thresholds that judges will apply in relation to a thresholds that judges will apply in relation to a prosecution. relation to a prosecution. Isn't relation to a prosecution. Isn't the relation to a prosecution. Isn't the reality relation to a prosecution. Isn't the reality that relation to a prosecution. Isn't the reality that he relation to a prosecution. Isn't the reality that he is relation to a prosecution. Isn't the reality that he is clearly Isn't the reality that he is clearly proposing Isn't the reality that he is clearly proposing to Isn't the reality that he is clearly proposing to lower Isn't the reality that he is clearly proposing to lower the Isn't the reality that he is clearly proposing to lower the legal proposing to lower the legal threshold proposing to lower the legal threshold and proposing to lower the legal threshold and broaden proposing to lower the legal threshold and broaden the proposing to lower the legal threshold and broaden the law proposing to lower the legal threshold and broaden the law of threshold and broaden the law of hate threshold and broaden the law of hate speech threshold and broaden the law of hate speech by, threshold and broaden the law of hate speech by, for threshold and broaden the law of hate speech by, for example, threshold and broaden the law of hate speech by, for example, adding hate speech by, for example, adding in hate speech by, for example, adding in words hate speech by, for example, adding in words like hate speech by, for example, adding in words like "maintaining" hate speech by, for example, adding in words like "maintaining" and in words like "maintaining" and "normalising"? in words like "maintaining" and "normalising"? 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It looked to comparable jurisdictions, like the United jurisdictions, like the United Kingdom, jurisdictions, like the United Kingdom, and jurisdictions, like the United Kingdom, and found jurisdictions, like the United Kingdom, and found that jurisdictions, like the United Kingdom, and found that language Kingdom, and found that language that Kingdom, and found that language that is Kingdom, and found that language that is more Kingdom, and found that language that is more consistent Kingdom, and found that language that is more consistent with that is more consistent with people's that is more consistent with people's everyday that is more consistent with people's everyday use that is more consistent with people's everyday use like people's everyday use like "maintaining people's everyday use like "maintaining hatred people's everyday use like "maintaining hatred against people's everyday use like "maintaining hatred against others" "maintaining hatred against others" bearing "maintaining hatred against others" bearing in "maintaining hatred against others" bearing in mind "maintaining hatred against others" bearing in mind that "maintaining hatred against others" bearing in mind that any "maintaining hatred against others" bearing in mind that any prosecution bearing in mind that any prosecution would bearing in mind that any prosecution would have bearing in mind that any prosecution would have to bearing in mind that any prosecution would have to be bearing in mind that any prosecution would have to be on bearing in mind that any prosecution would have to be on the bearing in mind that any prosecution would have to be on the basis bearing in mind that any prosecution would have to be on the basis that would have to be on the basis that that would have to be on the basis that that is would have to be on the basis that that is an would have to be on the basis that that is an intended would have to be on the basis that that is an intended action, would have to be on the basis that that is an intended action, and that is an intended action, and would that is an intended action, and would have that is an intended action, and would have the that is an intended action, and would have the further that is an intended action, and would have the further safeguard that is an intended action, and would have the further safeguard of would have the further safeguard of the would have the further safeguard of the Attorney-General would have the further safeguard of the Attorney-General having would have the further safeguard of the Attorney-General having to the Attorney-General having to approve the Attorney-General having to approve any the Attorney-General having to approve any such the Attorney-General having to approve any such prosecution, the Attorney-General having to approve any such prosecution, the approve any such prosecution, the law approve any such prosecution, the law and approve any such prosecution, the law and the approve any such prosecution, the law and the thresholds approve any such prosecution, the law and the thresholds that approve any such prosecution, the law and the thresholds that it approve any such prosecution, the law and the thresholds that it has law and the thresholds that it has to law and the thresholds that it has to meet law and the thresholds that it has to meet would law and the thresholds that it has to meet would not law and the thresholds that it has to meet would not change. law and the thresholds that it has to meet would not change. Question to meet would not change. Question No. to meet would not change. Question No. 9, to meet would not change. Question No. 9, Sarah to meet would not change. Question No. 9, Sarah Pallett. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Health: Minister of Health: What Minister of Health: What announcements Minister of Health: What announcements has Minister of Health: What announcements has she Minister of Health: What announcements has she made What announcements has she made about What announcements has she made about community What announcements has she made about community maternity What announcements has she made about community maternity services? The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr Ayesha The Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall. The Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall. Yesterday, The Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall. Yesterday, I The Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall. Yesterday, I anunsed The Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall. Yesterday, I anunsed changes The Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall. Yesterday, I anunsed changes to The Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall. Yesterday, I anunsed changes to the Yesterday, I anunsed changes to the way Yesterday, I anunsed changes to the way community Yesterday, I anunsed changes to the way community midwives Yesterday, I anunsed changes to the way community midwives are Yesterday, I anunsed changes to the way community midwives are paid Yesterday, I anunsed changes to the way community midwives are paid to way community midwives are paid to better way community midwives are paid to better reflect way community midwives are paid to better reflect the way community midwives are paid to better reflect the challenges way community midwives are paid to better reflect the challenges they better reflect the challenges they face better reflect the challenges they face providing better reflect the challenges they face providing care better reflect the challenges they face providing care and better reflect the challenges they face providing care and support better reflect the challenges they face providing care and support to face providing care and support to mothers face providing care and support to mothers and face providing care and support to mothers and whanau. face providing care and support to mothers and whanau. Community mothers and whanau. Community midwives mothers and whanau. Community midwives are mothers and whanau. Community midwives are paid mothers and whanau. Community midwives are paid through mothers and whanau. Community midwives are paid through what mothers and whanau. Community midwives are paid through what is midwives are paid through what is known midwives are paid through what is known as midwives are paid through what is known as the midwives are paid through what is known as the primary midwives are paid through what is known as the primary maternity known as the primary maternity services known as the primary maternity services notice. known as the primary maternity services notice. The known as the primary maternity services notice. The previous known as the primary maternity services notice. The previous notice services notice. The previous notice was services notice. The previous notice was introduced services notice. The previous notice was introduced in services notice. The previous notice was introduced in 2007 services notice. The previous notice was introduced in 2007 and services notice. The previous notice was introduced in 2007 and it services notice. The previous notice was introduced in 2007 and it was was introduced in 2007 and it was out was introduced in 2007 and it was out of was introduced in 2007 and it was out of date was introduced in 2007 and it was out of date and was introduced in 2007 and it was out of date and provided was introduced in 2007 and it was out of date and provided no out of date and provided no compensation out of date and provided no compensation for out of date and provided no compensation for the out of date and provided no compensation for the additional out of date and provided no compensation for the additional time compensation for the additional time and compensation for the additional time and travel compensation for the additional time and travel required compensation for the additional time and travel required of compensation for the additional time and travel required of some and travel required of some maternity and travel required of some maternity care and travel required of some maternity care providers. and travel required of some maternity care providers. This maternity care providers. This created maternity care providers. This created an maternity care providers. This created an unsustainable maternity care providers. This created an unsustainable business created an unsustainable business model created an unsustainable business model for created an unsustainable business model for maternity created an unsustainable business model for maternity in created an unsustainable business model for maternity in rural created an unsustainable business model for maternity in rural and model for maternity in rural and highly model for maternity in rural and highly deprived model for maternity in rural and highly deprived communities model for maternity in rural and highly deprived communities and highly deprived communities and barriers highly deprived communities and barriers to highly deprived communities and barriers to access. highly deprived communities and barriers to access. The highly deprived communities and barriers to access. The new highly deprived communities and barriers to access. The new notice barriers to access. The new notice is barriers to access. The new notice is more barriers to access. The new notice is more flexible barriers to access. The new notice is more flexible and barriers to access. The new notice is more flexible and will barriers to access. The new notice is more flexible and will provide is more flexible and will provide greater is more flexible and will provide greater funding is more flexible and will provide greater funding to is more flexible and will provide greater funding to midwives is more flexible and will provide greater funding to midwives working greater funding to midwives working in greater funding to midwives working in more greater funding to midwives working in more remote greater funding to midwives working in more remote parts greater funding to midwives working in more remote parts of greater funding to midwives working in more remote parts of New greater funding to midwives working in more remote parts of New Zealand in more remote parts of New Zealand and in more remote parts of New Zealand and when in more remote parts of New Zealand and when they in more remote parts of New Zealand and when they are in more remote parts of New Zealand and when they are supporting in more remote parts of New Zealand and when they are supporting mothers and when they are supporting mothers and and when they are supporting mothers and whanau and when they are supporting mothers and whanau with and when they are supporting mothers and whanau with complex and when they are supporting mothers and whanau with complex clinical and when they are supporting mothers and whanau with complex clinical or and whanau with complex clinical or social and whanau with complex clinical or social needs. and whanau with complex clinical or social needs. Supplementary. social needs. Supplementary. How social needs. Supplementary. How will social needs. Supplementary. How will the social needs. Supplementary. How will the new social needs. Supplementary. How will the new notice social needs. Supplementary. How will the new notice better How will the new notice better support How will the new notice better support community How will the new notice better support community mid- How will the new notice better support community mid- and How will the new notice better support community mid- and the support community mid- and the communities support community mid- and the communities they support community mid- and the communities they serve? support community mid- and the communities they serve? Midwives support community mid- and the communities they serve? Midwives do communities they serve? Midwives do an communities they serve? Midwives do an incredibly communities they serve? Midwives do an incredibly important communities they serve? Midwives do an incredibly important job communities they serve? Midwives do an incredibly important job and communities they serve? Midwives do an incredibly important job and they an incredibly important job and they deserve an incredibly important job and they deserve to an incredibly important job and they deserve to be an incredibly important job and they deserve to be backed an incredibly important job and they deserve to be backed up an incredibly important job and they deserve to be backed up by an incredibly important job and they deserve to be backed up by a an incredibly important job and they deserve to be backed up by a strong deserve to be backed up by a strong maternity deserve to be backed up by a strong maternity system deserve to be backed up by a strong maternity system that deserve to be backed up by a strong maternity system that makes deserve to be backed up by a strong maternity system that makes it maternity system that makes it easier maternity system that makes it easier for maternity system that makes it easier for them maternity system that makes it easier for them to maternity system that makes it easier for them to do maternity system that makes it easier for them to do their maternity system that makes it easier for them to do their jobs. easier for them to do their jobs. The easier for them to do their jobs. The 2021 easier for them to do their jobs. The 2021 notice easier for them to do their jobs. The 2021 notice introduces easier for them to do their jobs. The 2021 notice introduces rural The 2021 notice introduces rural practice, The 2021 notice introduces rural practice, travel The 2021 notice introduces rural practice, travel and The 2021 notice introduces rural practice, travel and additional The 2021 notice introduces rural practice, travel and additional care practice, travel and additional care payments practice, travel and additional care payments to practice, travel and additional care payments to more practice, travel and additional care payments to more equitably practice, travel and additional care payments to more equitably fund payments to more equitably fund travel payments to more equitably fund travel and payments to more equitably fund travel and provision payments to more equitably fund travel and provision of payments to more equitably fund travel and provision of maternity travel and provision of maternity care. travel and provision of maternity care. This travel and provision of maternity care. This will travel and provision of maternity care. This will help travel and provision of maternity care. This will help improve travel and provision of maternity care. This will help improve the care. This will help improve the sustainability care. This will help improve the sustainability of care. This will help improve the sustainability of community-based sustainability of community-based prime sustainability of community-based prime ear sustainability of community-based prime ear services sustainability of community-based prime ear services and sustainability of community-based prime ear services and has sustainability of community-based prime ear services and has been prime ear services and has been welcomed prime ear services and has been welcomed by prime ear services and has been welcomed by the prime ear services and has been welcomed by the College prime ear services and has been welcomed by the College of prime ear services and has been welcomed by the College of Midwives. welcomed by the College of Midwives. What welcomed by the College of Midwives. What else welcomed by the College of Midwives. What else is welcomed by the College of Midwives. What else is being welcomed by the College of Midwives. What else is being done welcomed by the College of Midwives. What else is being done to What else is being done to strengthen What else is being done to strengthen maternity What else is being done to strengthen maternity services? strengthen maternity services? Budget strengthen maternity services? Budget 2020 strengthen maternity services? Budget 2020 included strengthen maternity services? Budget 2020 included the strengthen maternity services? Budget 2020 included the largest Budget 2020 included the largest ever Budget 2020 included the largest ever funding Budget 2020 included the largest ever funding boost Budget 2020 included the largest ever funding boost for Budget 2020 included the largest ever funding boost for primary ever funding boost for primary maternity ever funding boost for primary maternity services. ever funding boost for primary maternity services. The ever funding boost for primary maternity services. The government maternity services. The government invested maternity services. The government invested $242 maternity services. The government invested $242 million maternity services. The government invested $242 million over maternity services. The government invested $242 million over four invested $242 million over four years invested $242 million over four years so invested $242 million over four years so maternity invested $242 million over four years so maternity service years so maternity service providers, years so maternity service providers, mothers, years so maternity service providers, mothers, and years so maternity service providers, mothers, and their providers, mothers, and their babies, providers, mothers, and their babies, can providers, mothers, and their babies, can receive providers, mothers, and their babies, can receive more providers, mothers, and their babies, can receive more support. babies, can receive more support. In babies, can receive more support. In the babies, can receive more support. In the last babies, can receive more support. In the last year, babies, can receive more support. In the last year, we've babies, can receive more support. In the last year, we've expanded babies, can receive more support. In the last year, we've expanded the In the last year, we've expanded the maternity In the last year, we've expanded the maternity quality In the last year, we've expanded the maternity quality and In the last year, we've expanded the maternity quality and safety maternity quality and safety programme maternity quality and safety programme in maternity quality and safety programme in every maternity quality and safety programme in every DHB. maternity quality and safety programme in every DHB. We maternity quality and safety programme in every DHB. We have programme in every DHB. We have updated programme in every DHB. We have updated national programme in every DHB. We have updated national maternity programme in every DHB. We have updated national maternity clinical updated national maternity clinical guidance updated national maternity clinical guidance and updated national maternity clinical guidance and invested updated national maternity clinical guidance and invested in updated national maternity clinical guidance and invested in information guidance and invested in information technology guidance and invested in information technology system guidance and invested in information technology system improvements. guidance and invested in information technology system improvements. And technology system improvements. And we technology system improvements. And we have technology system improvements. And we have put technology system improvements. And we have put $6 technology system improvements. And we have put $6 million technology system improvements. And we have put $6 million into technology system improvements. And we have put $6 million into an we have put $6 million into an initiative we have put $6 million into an initiative designed we have put $6 million into an initiative designed to we have put $6 million into an initiative designed to help we have put $6 million into an initiative designed to help attract initiative designed to help attract and initiative designed to help attract and retain initiative designed to help attract and retain more initiative designed to help attract and retain more Maori initiative designed to help attract and retain more Maori and initiative designed to help attract and retain more Maori and Pasifika and retain more Maori and Pasifika midwives and retain more Maori and Pasifika midwives into and retain more Maori and Pasifika midwives into the and retain more Maori and Pasifika midwives into the profession and retain more Maori and Pasifika midwives into the profession by midwives into the profession by better midwives into the profession by better supporting midwives into the profession by better supporting students midwives into the profession by better supporting students in midwives into the profession by better supporting students in their better supporting students in their studies. better supporting students in their studies. There better supporting students in their studies. There is better supporting students in their studies. There is more better supporting students in their studies. There is more work better supporting students in their studies. There is more work to better supporting students in their studies. There is more work to do better supporting students in their studies. There is more work to do to studies. There is more work to do to strengthen studies. There is more work to do to strengthen our studies. There is more work to do to strengthen our maternity studies. There is more work to do to strengthen our maternity services, strengthen our maternity services, but strengthen our maternity services, but we strengthen our maternity services, but we are strengthen our maternity services, but we are laying strengthen our maternity services, but we are laying the strengthen our maternity services, but we are laying the foundations strengthen our maternity services, but we are laying the foundations of but we are laying the foundations of a but we are laying the foundations of a better but we are laying the foundations of a better future. a better future. Question a better future. Question Number a better future. Question Number 10, a better future. Question Number 10, Debbie Question Number 10, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Children: for Children: Does for Children: Does he for Children: Does he agree for Children: Does he agree with for Children: Does he agree with all for Children: Does he agree with all Oranga Does he agree with all Oranga Tamariki's Does he agree with all Oranga Tamariki's statements Does he agree with all Oranga Tamariki's statements and Does he agree with all Oranga Tamariki's statements and actions? The The Hon The Hon Kelvin The Hon Kelvin Davis. The Hon Kelvin Davis. No. The Hon Kelvin Davis. No. I The Hon Kelvin Davis. No. I especially The Hon Kelvin Davis. No. I especially do The Hon Kelvin Davis. No. I especially do not The Hon Kelvin Davis. No. I especially do not stand The Hon Kelvin Davis. No. I especially do not stand by The Hon Kelvin Davis. No. I especially do not stand by the especially do not stand by the actions especially do not stand by the actions of especially do not stand by the actions of staff especially do not stand by the actions of staff members especially do not stand by the actions of staff members who especially do not stand by the actions of staff members who were actions of staff members who were shown actions of staff members who were shown to actions of staff members who were shown to have actions of staff members who were shown to have used actions of staff members who were shown to have used unacceptable shown to have used unacceptable behaviour shown to have used unacceptable behaviour when shown to have used unacceptable behaviour when restraining shown to have used unacceptable behaviour when restraining children behaviour when restraining children in behaviour when restraining children in one behaviour when restraining children in one of behaviour when restraining children in one of our behaviour when restraining children in one of our care behaviour when restraining children in one of our care and behaviour when restraining children in one of our care and protection in one of our care and protection residentses. in one of our care and protection residentses. I'm in one of our care and protection residentses. I'm not in one of our care and protection residentses. I'm not the in one of our care and protection residentses. I'm not the only in one of our care and protection residentses. I'm not the only one residentses. I'm not the only one who residentses. I'm not the only one who does residentses. I'm not the only one who does not residentses. I'm not the only one who does not stand residentses. I'm not the only one who does not stand by residentses. I'm not the only one who does not stand by those residentses. I'm not the only one who does not stand by those actions. who does not stand by those actions. This who does not stand by those actions. This morning, who does not stand by those actions. This morning, the who does not stand by those actions. This morning, the chief who does not stand by those actions. This morning, the chief executive who does not stand by those actions. This morning, the chief executive of This morning, the chief executive of Oranga This morning, the chief executive of Oranga Tamariki This morning, the chief executive of Oranga Tamariki announced This morning, the chief executive of Oranga Tamariki announced his Oranga Tamariki announced his intention Oranga Tamariki announced his intention to Oranga Tamariki announced his intention to close Oranga Tamariki announced his intention to close the Oranga Tamariki announced his intention to close the residence intention to close the residence until intention to close the residence until the intention to close the residence until the investigations intention to close the residence until the investigations are until the investigations are completed. until the investigations are completed. I until the investigations are completed. I stand until the investigations are completed. I stand by until the investigations are completed. I stand by his until the investigations are completed. I stand by his action completed. I stand by his action because completed. I stand by his action because it completed. I stand by his action because it was completed. I stand by his action because it was made completed. I stand by his action because it was made in completed. I stand by his action because it was made in the completed. I stand by his action because it was made in the best because it was made in the best interests because it was made in the best interests of because it was made in the best interests of the because it was made in the best interests of the children because it was made in the best interests of the children in because it was made in the best interests of the children in our interests of the children in our care. care. Does care. Does he care. Does he agree care. Does he agree with care. Does he agree with the care. Does he agree with the statement care. Does he agree with the statement of Does he agree with the statement of his Does he agree with the statement of his chief Does he agree with the statement of his chief executive Does he agree with the statement of his chief executive that Does he agree with the statement of his chief executive that all Does he agree with the statement of his chief executive that all Oranga his chief executive that all Oranga Tamariki his chief executive that all Oranga Tamariki staff his chief executive that all Oranga Tamariki staff in his chief executive that all Oranga Tamariki staff in care his chief executive that all Oranga Tamariki staff in care and Tamariki staff in care and protection Tamariki staff in care and protection residences Tamariki staff in care and protection residences were Tamariki staff in care and protection residences were trained protection residences were trained in protection residences were trained in the protection residences were trained in the correct protection residences were trained in the correct management protection residences were trained in the correct management of protection residences were trained in the correct management of actual in the correct management of actual pain in the correct management of actual pain or in the correct management of actual pain or potential in the correct management of actual pain or potential aggression in the correct management of actual pain or potential aggression of in the correct management of actual pain or potential aggression of the pain or potential aggression of the hold pain or potential aggression of the hold technique? pain or potential aggression of the hold technique? 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Yes, they were trained in those techniques but trained in those techniques but whether trained in those techniques but whether they trained in those techniques but whether they applied trained in those techniques but whether they applied them trained in those techniques but whether they applied them in trained in those techniques but whether they applied them in the whether they applied them in the appropriate whether they applied them in the appropriate way whether they applied them in the appropriate way is whether they applied them in the appropriate way is another whether they applied them in the appropriate way is another question. appropriate way is another question. What appropriate way is another question. What is appropriate way is another question. What is the appropriate way is another question. What is the percentage appropriate way is another question. What is the percentage of appropriate way is another question. What is the percentage of front-line What is the percentage of front-line staff What is the percentage of front-line staff at What is the percentage of front-line staff at Oranga What is the percentage of front-line staff at Oranga Tamariki What is the percentage of front-line staff at Oranga Tamariki who What is the percentage of front-line staff at Oranga Tamariki who have staff at Oranga Tamariki who have completed staff at Oranga Tamariki who have completed that staff at Oranga Tamariki who have completed that training staff at Oranga Tamariki who have completed that training programme? completed that training programme? Mr completed that training programme? Mr Speaker, completed that training programme? Mr Speaker, I completed that training programme? Mr Speaker, I expect completed that training programme? Mr Speaker, I expect that completed that training programme? 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What percentage of workers in youth What percentage of workers in youth care What percentage of workers in youth care and What percentage of workers in youth care and protection What percentage of workers in youth care and protection residences What percentage of workers in youth care and protection residences are care and protection residences are trained care and protection residences are trained and care and protection residences are trained and qualified care and protection residences are trained and qualified social care and protection residences are trained and qualified social workers trained and qualified social workers as trained and qualified social workers as opposed trained and qualified social workers as opposed to trained and qualified social workers as opposed to other trained and qualified social workers as opposed to other is trained and qualified social workers as opposed to other is support as opposed to other is support staff, as opposed to other is support staff, such as opposed to other is support staff, such as as opposed to other is support staff, such as youth as opposed to other is support staff, such as youth workers? as opposed to other is support staff, such as youth workers? 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You can't just ask a general question and just ask a general question and expect just ask a general question and expect the just ask a general question and expect the Minister just ask a general question and expect the Minister to just ask a general question and expect the Minister to have just ask a general question and expect the Minister to have a just ask a general question and expect the Minister to have a whole expect the Minister to have a whole pile expect the Minister to have a whole pile of expect the Minister to have a whole pile of details, expect the Minister to have a whole pile of details, even expect the Minister to have a whole pile of details, even if expect the Minister to have a whole pile of details, even if it expect the Minister to have a whole pile of details, even if it is pile of details, even if it is related. related. Thank related. Thank you. related. Thank you. When related. Thank you. When was related. Thank you. When was Oranga related. Thank you. When was Oranga Tamariki Thank you. When was Oranga Tamariki child Thank you. When was Oranga Tamariki child protection Thank you. When was Oranga Tamariki child protection protocol Thank you. When was Oranga Tamariki child protection protocol last child protection protocol last reviewed child protection protocol last reviewed and child protection protocol last reviewed and updated? child protection protocol last reviewed and updated? I child protection protocol last reviewed and updated? I expect reviewed and updated? I expect Oranga reviewed and updated? I expect Oranga Tamariki reviewed and updated? I expect Oranga Tamariki to reviewed and updated? I expect Oranga Tamariki to regularly reviewed and updated? I expect Oranga Tamariki to regularly update Oranga Tamariki to regularly update all Oranga Tamariki to regularly update all of Oranga Tamariki to regularly update all of their Oranga Tamariki to regularly update all of their protocols. 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I'm not standing here making any I'm not standing here making any excuses I'm not standing here making any excuses for I'm not standing here making any excuses for the I'm not standing here making any excuses for the failings I'm not standing here making any excuses for the failings of I'm not standing here making any excuses for the failings of Oranga excuses for the failings of Oranga Tamariki. excuses for the failings of Oranga Tamariki. What excuses for the failings of Oranga Tamariki. What has excuses for the failings of Oranga Tamariki. What has gone excuses for the failings of Oranga Tamariki. What has gone on excuses for the failings of Oranga Tamariki. What has gone on is Tamariki. What has gone on is totally Tamariki. What has gone on is totally unacceptable Tamariki. What has gone on is totally unacceptable and Tamariki. What has gone on is totally unacceptable and that's Tamariki. 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And it Tamariki's child protocol last reviewed. Order. And it certainly reviewed. Order. And it certainly was reviewed. Order. And it certainly was addressed reviewed. Order. And it certainly was addressed and reviewed. Order. And it certainly was addressed and I reviewed. Order. And it certainly was addressed and I am reviewed. Order. And it certainly was addressed and I am going reviewed. Order. And it certainly was addressed and I am going to reviewed. Order. And it certainly was addressed and I am going to warn was addressed and I am going to warn the was addressed and I am going to warn the member was addressed and I am going to warn the member that was addressed and I am going to warn the member that having was addressed and I am going to warn the member that having a was addressed and I am going to warn the member that having a running the member that having a running commentary the member that having a running commentary about the member that having a running commentary about her the member that having a running commentary about her dissatisfaction commentary about her dissatisfaction with commentary about her dissatisfaction with answers commentary about her dissatisfaction with answers is commentary about her dissatisfaction with answers is disorderly commentary about her dissatisfaction with answers is disorderly and commentary about her dissatisfaction with answers is disorderly and if with answers is disorderly and if she with answers is disorderly and if she does with answers is disorderly and if she does it with answers is disorderly and if she does it deliberately with answers is disorderly and if she does it deliberately it's with answers is disorderly and if she does it deliberately it's highly she does it deliberately it's highly disorderly. she does it deliberately it's highly disorderly. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing: of Housing: How, of Housing: How, on of Housing: How, on a of Housing: How, on a scale of Housing: How, on a scale of of Housing: How, on a scale of 1 of Housing: How, on a scale of 1 to of Housing: How, on a scale of 1 to 10, of Housing: How, on a scale of 1 to 10, does of Housing: How, on a scale of 1 to 10, does she How, on a scale of 1 to 10, does she rate How, on a scale of 1 to 10, does she rate the How, on a scale of 1 to 10, does she rate the Government's How, on a scale of 1 to 10, does she rate the Government's delivery rate the Government's delivery of rate the Government's delivery of its rate the Government's delivery of its housing rate the Government's delivery of its housing policies of its housing policies and of its housing policies and commitments? The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr Megan The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The member The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The member will The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The member will need The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The member will need to The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The member will need to be The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The member will need to be more The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The member will need to be more specific. The Hon Dr Megan Woods. The member will need to be more specific. On will need to be more specific. On whose will need to be more specific. On whose scale will need to be more specific. On whose scale is will need to be more specific. On whose scale is 10 will need to be more specific. On whose scale is 10 the will need to be more specific. On whose scale is 10 the best? will need to be more specific. On whose scale is 10 the best? This whose scale is 10 the best? This Government whose scale is 10 the best? This Government has whose scale is 10 the best? This Government has delivered whose scale is 10 the best? This Government has delivered 10 whose scale is 10 the best? This Government has delivered 10 times Government has delivered 10 times nor-or-more Government has delivered 10 times nor-or-more affordable Government has delivered 10 times nor-or-more affordable houses nor-or-more affordable houses through nor-or-more affordable houses through its nor-or-more affordable houses through its programmes nor-or-more affordable houses through its programmes than nor-or-more affordable houses through its programmes than the through its programmes than the previous through its programmes than the previous National through its programmes than the previous National government previous National government delivered previous National government delivered through previous National government delivered through the previous National government delivered through the Special delivered through the Special Housing delivered through the Special Housing Areas. Housing Areas. Or Housing Areas. Or does Housing Areas. Or does she Housing Areas. 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The The Hon The Hon Priyanca The Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan. The Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan. This The Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan. This morning, The Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan. This morning, I The Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan. This morning, I launched The Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan. This morning, I launched the The Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan. This morning, I launched the new The Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan. This morning, I launched the new ministry morning, I launched the new ministry for morning, I launched the new ministry for ethnic morning, I launched the new ministry for ethnic communities. for ethnic communities. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! We're <INTERRUPTION> Order! We're not <INTERRUPTION> Order! We're not seals <INTERRUPTION> Order! We're not seals in <INTERRUPTION> Order! We're not seals in here. Order! We're not seals in here. We Order! We're not seals in here. We have Order! We're not seals in here. We have over Order! We're not seals in here. 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Our ethnic communities make up nearly 20 of New Zealand's make up nearly 20 of New Zealand's population. make up nearly 20 of New Zealand's population. This make up nearly 20 of New Zealand's population. This is make up nearly 20 of New Zealand's population. This is the make up nearly 20 of New Zealand's population. This is the first make up nearly 20 of New Zealand's population. This is the first time population. This is the first time that population. This is the first time that they population. This is the first time that they will population. This is the first time that they will have population. This is the first time that they will have this population. This is the first time that they will have this level population. 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Thanks, already significantly traumatised. Thanks, Labour.